Damage when enraged as a socketable?

[claudius 104]

I gotta scratch my head at the developers for this mod. Is something I don't know about this? I assume the damage effect is additive to other damage increases rather than multiplicative. Or?

 

The reason I scratch my head is on jewels and items you can also find the %damage all channels and its usually very similar magnitude. All channel damage % functions whether you are enraged or not. At the same time blacksmith whets usually give even MORE magnitude all channel damage relative to the jewelry typically found at that difficulty/character level.

 

Some times I think its as if there are 10 good mods in the whole game and the other 20 are just filler (eg +selling price?) to make those ten rare. I would prefer some amount of 'good' versus 'bad' mods but moreso than it is now I would prefer it if each mod could compete with eachother and it was a matter of choosing a strategy (of many). I understand that they can't balance every mod perfectly but this enraged damage is so much worse than what you can get just at the blacksmith. I guess it would make more sense if the gold was so scarce that you needed to pay the smith.

 

Or is there a hidden factor I am unaware?

[Dobri 55]

I know how this works, but there's something I don't know - when is the threshold for the maximum potential of +damage of enraged players.

 

In general, it is +% damage when you are hurt. The pain threshold for inquisitor's purifying chastisement buff is 25/35% of total HP value. However, as an item mod, nothing gives you a proper threshold. In general, damage of enraged players is possibly uber, as shown by some Inquisitor builds. Dual Sword of the Blood Dryad, Purifying Chastisement for 25% threshold (modded for crit) and some Damage of enraged players can get the inquisitor's damage to skyrocket. And by that I mean skyrocket! 100k+ anyone?

 

However, since most people here play Hardcore, WIDD build (wounds increase damage dealt - the term from Sacred 1) is rare and is a pure call for suicide, so few people attempt it.

Edited April 2, 2010 by Dobri

[claudius 104]

What do you think of the socketable? like level 50 gold I just found a ring that does 12% enraged damage. I can stick a gold whet in the socket to do 18% all channel damage. Does the 12% and the first I mentioned mean it does 12% damage at the maximum wounds level? Or is it some proportional measure of 12% damage per X0% wounded you are. For example perhaps you get 12% damage when to 80% health 24% when to 60% and 36% when to 40%? I can see the purifying chastisement and blood dryads because the enraged magnitude on them is so high. But 12% enraged damage in gold if its the maximum at maximum threshold would be crap!?

[Dobri 55]

I would personally use these rings only on an Inquisitor WIDD build. On a Veiled Shadow Warrior build, it won't do any good because you simply won't take any damage when cloaked. So my suggestion is to sell them

[claudius 104]

Even on the inquisitor should I trade it to another character I question the magnitude 12% relative to the magnitude of all channel damage from whets. Ok at level 50 purifying chastisement has at most like +300 enraged damage (about level 40). Even so why would I put a ring that adds a puny 12% enraged damage to a socket when I can just stick a whet in for 18% all channel damage around the clock ie even when not enraged. I question whether I am aware of the mechanics of the modification for the reason of the fact that the 12% enraged damage does not compete with whets which are easily available. Did ascaron just throw in a bunch of pissant mods such as enraged damage to dilute the pool of mods thereby creating scarcity? It wouldn't be the first game that happened. Personally I prefer each mod to at least be conceivably useful. They might as well just have created the 10 best mods and then have an 80% chance that instead of a mod there will just be text saying "try again", lol.

[Zatoichi 0]

The "enraged player" mods on rings would be very useful if the effect kicked in at any hp value under 100%. So, ya when u "get hurt".

Or a more reasonable thing would be that the value is max increase u can get, which is when u get to 25% of hp, and the bigger you're hp % the smaller amount of bonus u get from the max indicated by the mod. This way u wouldn't get overpowered, but still get some minor bonus when you're (actually) hurt.

 

I mean, 25% of hp just to get some extra dmg is very risky, especially for HC. U'd have to be crazy to do it, be cause u could easely get 1 shotted, especially if you're boss farming...

And, anyway, with LL% and dblow, the enraged players mod is really obsolete...

Edited April 4, 2010 by Zatoichi

[essjayehm 58]

Some times I think its as if there are 10 good mods in the whole game and the other 20 are just filler (eg +selling price?) to make those ten rare. I would prefer some amount of 'good' versus 'bad' mods but moreso than it is now I would prefer it if each mod could compete with eachother and it was a matter of choosing a strategy (of many). I understand that they can't balance every mod perfectly but this enraged damage is so much worse than what you can get just at the blacksmith. I guess it would make more sense if the gold was so scarce that you needed to pay the smith.

 

Or is there a hidden factor I am unaware?

 

Even selling price has its implementations No mods in Sacred 2 are "useless" to everyone. I will agree that enraged/WIDD should be left to inquisitors (mostly), and there are a couple of others that are only good when you focus on abusing them; but all the mods have a place to be used, in my opinion.