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#1 Johnny73

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 07:38 AM

Hello guys I'm new in the forum but I have always followed, I am a big fan of Sacred. A few days ago on the net and on Facebook I found a link in which programmers Sacred 1-2 talk about the game's sequel "Unsacred". But what are they talking about? Do you know anything? I do not think it's a joke because the director gives an interview and explains how this sacred3 is not his game. I do not understand, what is the true sequel to Sacred, this new S3 without OpenW or the new project of former Ascaron programmers "UnSacred - Back into the ashes" with Open world ?

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/872653/page/1

http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23911

http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/unsacred/artikel/unsacred,50834,3034335.html



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Posted 05 April 2014 - 08:59 AM

Unsacred is a project from a few studio 2 members. At the moment they collect money to make a prototype (goal: 25.000€/35.000$) and this follow more sacred 1 and 2 as sacred 3.

English information about the project coming soon.

Stay tuned on:

http://www.unsacred.de

By the way:

http://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/21794-new-project-by-former-ascaron-employees/?hl=unsacred

The unsacred thread with a few information.


Sacred 3 is development by  keen games and have nothing to do with unsacred. The trademark "sacred" is owned by deep silver and deep silver give the job to keen games to make sacred 3.

More inforamtion about sacred 3 and keen games:

http://sacred3.deepsilver.com/de/

http://www.keengames.com/

 

BTW: Studio 2 was a sub company from ascaron, but studio 2 have made the sacred series. Ascaron have only made the console version from sacred 2, not more.


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Posted 05 April 2014 - 10:40 AM

Welcome aboard!

Like Tornado said, Sacred 3 is the official sequel. It sounds like it is going to have a slightly different spin than its predecessors. Only time will tell how well that sits with the fans. Unsacred is unofficial, but they seem to want to stay closer to the first two games. It is an independent production though, so it might turn out to be vaporware.
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Posted 05 April 2014 - 11:38 AM

Sacred 3 or UnSacred ?

 

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Posted 05 April 2014 - 04:29 PM

Besides, they are not coming out at the same time. "Unsacred" (working title) hasn’t even started properly.


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Posted 05 April 2014 - 04:40 PM

It's wa-ay to early to tell which of these games has better chances of being the true Sacred sequel. Maybe both... maybe neither. We have too little information to judge  - only vague trailers for Sacred 3 and only concept information for Unsacred. We can already tell that these games would be different from each other, with Sacred 3 emphasizing modern graphics and co-op playstyle and Unsacred focused on open world and exploration. But we don't yet know what exactly the gameplay and mechanics would be like for either of them. Time will tell...


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 03:55 AM

Based upon the scarse information we have now, I think that Sacred 3 is more the successor of Sacred 2, while Unsacred is more the successor of Sacred 1.

 

However, since only time can tell, I just follow both games. :)

 

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 04:48 AM

Well, Unsacred generated 4,680 euro so far. A tad concerning. Out of 25,000 its only 18%.

And they are not very responsive if you post questions on their forum in English...


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:01 AM

Well, Unsacred generated 4,680 euro so far. A tad concerning. Out of 25,000 its only 18%.

And they are not very responsive if you post questions on their forum in English...

I'm perfectly willing to donate to their project, but I will need an English version of the site before doing so.  I realize they are a German studio and want to get the word out there about the game, but I think people would feel more comfortable giving them money if there was a fleshed out page in English.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:05 AM

Agreed.  Also, it's only been 6 days.  18% of the goal isn't too bad for only announcing their intent in one language 6 days ago.  If they were to go to Kickstarter proper and do a good presentation I'm sure they would hit the goal plus more.


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#11 Saraphima

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 08:27 AM

Sacred 3 looks like a joke at this moment. It's like playing super smash bro.s but with sacred characters. I remember that a while ago S3 was looking really good as if using Sacred 2 as a base.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:31 PM

There are threads discussing Sacred 3, can I weigh in on that here? 

 

Let me say, for the record, as a matter of fact, with all due respect, Sacred 3 bears no relation to Sacred other than use of some proper nouns to describe the characters. They should have called the game something else and kept Sacred on the backburner. "Buff Feudal Universe" would be a good title for the game pics I've seen so far.  But 'Big Fat Muscles" might be good too, or "I always buy my clothes too small" ...  in a quirk of fate, Sacred 3 actually should be the game called Un-Sacred.  That it is;  Un.  Unlike Sacred. 

A spokesperson from the new licensee actually said that since most people played Sacred 2 online, there is less reason for a open world or extensive variation to character building or vast side quests.  That's embarressing.   You pick from a few tools before each quest and go forth.  There is nowhere else to go but on the linear track provided- a railroad track.  Just slug your way foreward, you'll get there.  As you'll be doing this in the company of others, that makes it Sacred?  And you can't even fill your livingroom with friends and play together- from what I last read each account will have one player.  So unless you all bring your Xboxes or computers into the room, you stay at home.

It's Sacred because it has a S in the name and a A and a C and a R and a E and a D; what does that spell?

The thoughtfullness of the game will be in the complex choice of a club, knife, bow or axe before each quest.  The characters look as if they've ingested steroids and compete in their spare time in body building contests.....those are actually very big in primitive semi feudal alternative universes which use magic and have dragons and beasts running about.  Steroid use is a big problem for Dwarfs too, probably killed most of them off.  Oops, that was a secret from sacred 3.  

Most of you are much kinder than I.  I won't be buying this unless you rave about it here after release.  As I already own a collection of comic books, I won't likely buy more just because they are animated on a screen and share a couple names from a game franchise that I love.  when it hits the bargain bin at Walmart for five bucks I might, might get it; but for five bucks you can get a old CD of Willy Nelson or the Doors or even the traveling Wilburies, for five bucks you can get a collection from Patsy Cline or Hank Williams or a....Big Mac.  A lego or mega bloks building kit,  two mini figures, a small flash light, a cheap knife from China, oh, or a couple of real Comic Books.  Or you could keep the five dollars in your pocket and save it for the day a game arrives worth playing, perhaps even a game that is like Sacred.  five bucks could be sent to the people trying to make a new Sacred.....the one called Un, that actually might be.

 

Out of respect for you, and those who want to hope, I won't be blasting away at the new game to be released this summer.  Let each find their path and live their lives.  In a real Sacred game, there would be room for that.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:43 PM

Aww, man, one word peaked my interest in this thread: "Vaporware", Lujate said it in #3. I was thinking "Vaporware? Yes! New technology I've never heard of, where can I buy it?!". I'm slightly bummed to discover that vaporware is just a term to describe a product that's announced but never actually released and never officially cancelled.

 

As far as Sacred 3 vs Unsacred, I'm keeping an open mind about both of them.  With Sacred 3, I've learned about knee-jerk reactions. Once upon a time, I went to GameStop and inquired about a game called "Too Human". The clerk literally yanked the game out of my hand and said "Don't buy this. Loot's kind of cool, but there's no open world, and you never Really die, a Valkyrie comes out of the sky, a sad snippet of music is played, and you're resurrected right where you fell." I thought "Man, that sounds crappy" and thanked the guy for doing me a favor. I saw the game on the xbox marketplace a year or so ago, bought it on impulse, and love the heck out of it. Won't be going to That Gamestop again.

 

As far as Unsacred, I'm unsure at this point. Look at all the content recently released for Sacred 2, in addition to more weapons, armor, and unique mounts on the way. So, for me, asking me if I'm thinking of Unsacred is like asking a guy who's currently munching on a 72 oz steak, feeling totally content and almost stuffed, if he's contemplated dessert yet. This actually happens to me a lot. I'll be face-deep in a Reuben (my fav sandwich on the whole planet) when the server asks me if I'd like a slice of pie, too. I think they do it on purpose, just to see if I'll attempt to talk with a full mouth. Maybe next time, I'll give them the Homer Simpson "Can't talk now, eating!"


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 04:03 PM

I no longer trust official reviews from published gaming sources.  Games they call greatest of all time are not for me, and games they sniff at are often wonderful.  They didn't like Sacred 2

 

Do observations that Sacred 3 has no open world, no extensive character building, and no numerous and varied side quests qualify as knee jerk? These are not projections- the owners so say.   I knew that knee was giving me trouble.

 

But I don't trust gaming opinions either.  In the end, if a game makes you happy, it's a good game- for you.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 05:06 PM

What? "Do observations that Sacred 3 has no open world, no extensive character building, and no numerous and varied side quests qualify as knee jerk?" Lol, Munk, did you think I was saying you were giving a knee-jerk response? No, boss, I was responding to "Sacred 3 or Unsacred". For me to say yea or nay to either game would be a knee jerk reaction, as I haven't seen enough of either game. I totally understand why you'd think that, though, as I posted right after you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:44 PM

Not to worry, like I said, one of my knees is always bothering me.  I've been reading this forum for so many years without ever signing up or posting, that there's all this built up Sacred stuff inside that wants to come out.  I just jumped the gun.

Incidentally, I also put a 'like' on your post right after I posted, because you contemplated, 'can't talk now, eating', I thought that was damned funny.  that's a sig line.

If you guys and gals decide upon its release that you like Sacred 3, I respect you enough that I would seriously consider getting it.  Can't say that for any of the official game places and reviewers, just here.  I'm sure you can understand my feelings in the absence of a open world, and all the other missing things.  Last thing I'm gonna do is piff and moan about it ad infinitum- bring others down- I don't wish to beat the drum, and like everyone here, have wanted something Sacred and something new for a very long time.

You're right, of course, it is a academic diversion ala thread topic to ask right now if either of these products, one promised to be released and one not even made, qualify for 'Sacred".  You're a standup guy for posting back to me, Gilberticus.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 04:59 AM

If sacred 3 proves to be the same as Dungeon Siege 3 then it will be a total disaster, as I think it will happen.

About unsacred (I have to give some of my thoughts on this) I think its the biggest scam I ever seen and to prove it heres what I think:

The fact it started like few months before the release of sacred 3 , (coincidence ? I dont think so ) .

A poor made website in joomla . Having real devs you would think it should look better.

The fact they only need 25000$ , you would think this kind of games requires at least 1 milion $ or more (Maybe they have the rest of the money XD but I doubt that)

I havent seen any proof that the devs behind sacred 2 are in the team right now.

Also theres no info on their company , even if it was just created there should be some info about it over the internet.

And also the fact that theres no english in that website at all, you would think someone that is a developer would know english as they cannot do any coding.

And I think this is just another easy way to earn 25.000 $ for free.

 

That about it , these are all my thoughts regarding unsacred , with the coming sacred 3 they wouldn't stand a chance in having big sales.

 

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Posted 11 April 2014 - 06:43 AM

>"...you would think this kind of games requires at least 1 milion $ or more..."

That statement is only true for the games made and released by big publishers. Please, don't be offended, but it sounds like you never really had any interest in indie games before. One big difference about them is that they never have giant budgets. Because indie games are usually developed by small teams of enthusiasts and never have top-notch graphics nor expensive modern graphical engines. Indie devs don't have to pay salaries and insurances to some few hundreds people, do not have to buy the latest graphical engines and do not have to hire professional animation studios to do the motion-capture animations for them. That is why indie games don't need billions to be done. That is also why they never have fancy graphics, but it's not graphics that makes the game interesting to play.

 

In fact, 25000$ does not sound completely unrealistic for the indie scene. It's not much, but it's at least possible to reach.

 

From what I remember, the most well-known vaporware scums that happened with kickstarted games always had well-made sites and good publicity before disappearing with the money. Those people never had intention of doing a thing besides a website, so of course they poured all energy into the look. Mediocre web-design for Unsacred site may be a sign that its few devs work on the game and not the outward appearance.

 

I might be overly optimistic, but I still wanted to point out that these signs do not necessary indicate a scum.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:08 AM

Also, it’s Spock who vouched for them. And SO FAR everything checks out.


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 09:49 AM

It's not just Spock who'd vouch for them. There are several members at this forum who would, including me.

I've seen several of the old German Sacred Community appear at the forum of Unsacred and among those are a few members who've been "Ascaronies" for ages. And among those there are a few I know being beta-testers of games made by Gaming Minds; which is the "Ascaron-part" of Kalypso Media.

So; all in all, if this is a scam, it's one of the most complicated ones I've ever seen, having people using different languages, living in different countries and in different timezones.

Nope, this one is a certainty. :D

 

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