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#1 Dobri

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 03:55 AM

What happened to our favorite franchise guys? Why are they destroying it?

 

I am heartbroken. I just wrote a long petition on the steam forums to fans not to buy this full-priced game. 50€ for a simplified arcade-style excuse for an ARPG? Oh , my goodness...

:blowup:

 

It is just unfair... I was so looking forward to reconnect to all my friends here on FDM, whom I miss a lot, through S3 and reminisce of the good times we had in Sacred 2 in all those hundreds of hours dumped online. And now this... I'd rather take a slap in the face than a game that does away with everything that made S1 and Sacred 2 great...


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 04:49 AM

Welcome back.

Calm down, as there is still hope...

 

You are not the first to panic over this. As the release date looms, more and more outraged fans comeback to rile up the controversy. We have previously discussed this issue many times on the forum, and our thoughts remain the same.

 

Yes, the new owners of the series decided to dumb it down to a generic formula. Most of the roomers are true. They made promises to stay true to the lore and stuff, but the promised changes pleased noone. Even the game reviews of the "for review only" demo, while praising the gameplay at 7.5, downgrade it to a 0 for titling the game "Sacred". No petition will change this. And I doubt anything can save the game at this point.

 

But none of us is asking you to run out and buy Sacred 3 on launch day. You can wait a week or two for reviews, and then decide what it's worth is.

 

That was the bad news.

Now for some good news.

 

Sacred 3 promised to suck so much that 3 month ago the original developer team decided to get back into business and show how it should be done. They are doing this through crowdfunding, planing to go Kickstarter in August, so at the moment the process is going slow, but it's happening. You can read up more on that in our threads and check up their progress on http://www.unbended.zone.

 

In my opinion, your 60$ is better of donated there.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 09:36 AM

It is just unfair... I was so looking forward to reconnect to all my friends here on FDM, whom I miss a lot, through S3 and reminisce of the good times we had in Sacred 2 in all those hundreds of hours dumped online. And now this... I'd rather take a slap in the face than a game that does away with everything that made S1 and Sacred 2 great...

Welcome back Dobri!  :hugs: Yes, the Sacred 3 news has been less than exciting. p issed a few of us off as far as I can tell, and confused many more. ARPG has 3 components to it and it looks like they left out the Role-Playing part, shifting the focus entirely to action. But just as SX255 said, there is hope for us in Unbended! Old Ascaron devs got together and are starting their own kickstarter game :D



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 11:13 AM

Good to hear again from you Dobri. I'll most likely end up playing Sacred 3, but it certainly won't keep me busy for a long time. Ryan and SX255 are right, Unbended looks a lot more promising. In the meantime I started playing Divinity : Original Sin, there's a topic about it.

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Posted 03 July 2014 - 11:42 AM

Hey Dobri..good to hear from you.....I think if they had named the game anything other than Sacred 3 they wouldn't be getting the backlash they are experiencing now. Any other name and we would simply be judging it on face value alone. But when you tie it to a franchise known for certain play style like open world, well the comparisons are unavoidable. And if you deviate from that legacy-people are going to be upset.

 

Either way it doesn't look like a game I will ever be interested in. I would have felt better knowing the Sacred series died with Ascaron than watching what it has now become with Deep Silver. It's like the company just didn't care or understand what the fan base wanted or expected.

 

I haven't looked at Unbended too much yet but plan on giving it more of my attention soon. Just knowing several of the developers are former Ascaron employees is enough for me to place some trust in their endeavor.



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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:07 PM

I am so happy to hear from you all too. Can't say I miss playing Sacred 2 much, but I sure miss all the people I got to know in it. I think now and then have have you lot been doing - I hope all's well :)

 

As for S3 - I may or may not give it a go when they reduce it seriously. I just can't accept a "Casual" tag on steam for S3. This franchise has never been for casual people... It has been for the likes of us - hardcore gamers who dont mind getting their hands dirty, tweaking, optimizing, and owning it all.


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Posted 03 July 2014 - 05:36 PM

As for S3 - I may or may not give it a go when they reduce it seriously. I just can't accept a "Casual" tag on steam for S3. This franchise has never been for casual people... It has been for the likes of us - hardcore gamers who dont mind getting their hands dirty, tweaking, optimizing, and owning it all.

 

I wouldn’t call the series “for hardcore gamers only” ether. Yes, the first two games have challenging adventures, grinding moments and item optimizing necessities. But the games also came with the option to just ignore battling every enemy in sight to go exploring the beautiful details of the world. You don’t need to study tons of graphs to enjoy the RolePlaying part of the game.

 

Still, I agree, the games are too memorable to get a "Casual" tag


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 04:38 AM

Yeah... can't help but smile as I remember all our hardcore adventures with the likes of gogo, schot, barristan, dima, ryanrocker, antitrust, katran, claudius, chrona, frostelfguard, furian, chattius, furrian, and sheeesh, I am sure I am forgetting quite a few more names but... Those were the good times. Lots ot LOLs online, lots of action and not even a hint of regret. having like 10 people fanning out and destroying everything on their path was just too cool to miss.


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 05:03 AM

Great to see you pop in Dobri :)

 

It's been a long while now since Sacred 2. And unfortunately will be a while longer until we may see something similar. As others have mentioned though, there is hope in unbended.



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 05:38 AM

Hey DB :)

 

and to stay on topic... I found this video of a spanish game show doing S3 gameplay preview:


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Posted 04 July 2014 - 07:14 AM

What happened to our favorite franchise guys? Why are they destroying it?

 

I am heartbroken. I just wrote a long petition on the steam forums to fans not to buy this full-priced game. 50€ for a simplified arcade-style excuse for an ARPG? Oh , my goodness...

:blowup:

 

It is just unfair... I was so looking forward to reconnect to all my friends here on FDM, whom I miss a lot, through S3 and reminisce of the good times we had in Sacred 2 in all those hundreds of hours dumped online. And now this... I'd rather take a slap in the face than a game that does away with everything that made S1 and Sacred 2 great...

Dobri!

*hugs*

wow soooooooo long!

Yeah, the way this game went was a heart breaker, and a little bit of my gaming soul slipped away...or is that just me getting old :P

So far, we're getting what we've been craving from Unbended, and the heart of the x Ascaron/Sacred team seems to be over there.  If you read their posts, it's got that great feel and dialogue from devs we've all been yearning for.

Though, as point of note, interesting to see that a game as really loved as ours could get so transformed, I'm seriously not sure it's what the fans want.

Poor Sacred, now relegated to status of a *gasp* flash game?

 

:oooo:

 

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Posted 04 July 2014 - 11:08 AM

and to stay on topic... I found this video of a spanish game show doing S3 gameplay preview:

Thanks for this, I hadn't really seen any video gameplay till now.  After looking at it, might be fun to smash through some mobs with the local coop mode for the consoles...BUT it's not on current gen, so it kind of defeats the purpose :/



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 07:06 PM

and to stay on topic... I found this video of a spanish game show doing S3 gameplay preview:

After looking at it, might be fun to smash through some mobs with th elocal coop mode for the consoles

 

Thats how I see it too. Focus appears to have been way more on the action/hack-and-slash side of things as opposed to the rpg part.



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Posted 04 July 2014 - 08:08 PM

Welcome back, Dobri.  Good to see you, even if a bit on the heartbroken side of things. :)  At this point... there really is little to nothing else left to be said about S3.  All we can do is wait and see if the game will be successful or not... though I am reminded of Capcom and the direction they took with the Resident Evil series, along with the crap the company received especially for their sixth entry into the franchise.  Or with DmC: Devil May Cry when they handed development over to Ninja Theory, and the controversy THAT one received.  Yeah... >>;


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 08:06 AM

Hey Dobri, welcome back  :) 

 

I feel the same way about S3. As a huge fan since 2004, it's is a big let down to see the direction it has headed in.

 

Unbended on the other hand looks like the game S3 should have been. Hopefully some time in the future we can all hook up and slay some monsters in it.



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 04:52 AM

Just pre-ordered S3 on Steam, then I went to the steam forums...There certainly not much love for S3 on the steam forums. Have I made a mistake in pre-ordering S3?



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Posted 11 July 2014 - 05:40 AM

Just pre-ordered S3 on Steam, then I went to the steam forums...There certainly not much love for S3 on the steam forums. Have I made a mistake in pre-ordering S3?

That is for you to decide when you actually get to play the game


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 08:46 AM

I am so happy to hear from you all too. Can't say I miss playing Sacred 2 much, but I sure miss all the people I got to know in it. I think now and then have have you lot been doing - I hope all's well :)

 

As for S3 - I may or may not give it a go when they reduce it seriously. I just can't accept a "Casual" tag on steam for S3. This franchise has never been for casual people... It has been for the likes of us - hardcore gamers who dont mind getting their hands dirty, tweaking, optimizing, and owning it all.

HC, exactly.  Sacred Franchise made all that delicious micro-managing a delight... and for the fans who just wanted to keep it simpler, quests abounded with a delicious map, one of the largest of it 's kind at the time.

Sacred had always broken ground, not sure if this new incarnation will have that kind of pioneer spirit.

I'm an optimist, hoping there will be something that can raise my bpm

 

:D

 

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Posted 29 July 2014 - 02:35 PM

I'm glad they've taken the route that they did with Sacred 3 as I would have felt I was missing out on something had they stuck to the Sacred formula.  After the way console gamers were treated by DS (being told bug fixes etc were on their way, only to be shafted and fed more lies), I haven't bought another DS game since and never will.

 

All Deep Silver needed to do was act with some deceny and honesty by telling us we were unlikely to recieve future patches and I and most other console gamers would have accepted that, but they chose to string us along in the hope of selling a few more units on the 360 before the game hit the bargin baskets.  Hell, just look at the state of Risen on the 360 to see how little they care about the crap they shovel onto consoles.



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 05:48 PM

I'm still a pessimist. On my youtube vid I had the opportunity to talk with a reviewer, and thanks to him not answering and/or evading, managed to get even more info... Well, so far this is what I know:

- 15-20 Hrs gameplay if you go through every mission

- Instanced quests, 15 main, 25 side, probably 20-30 mins each

- Basic RPG mechanics, 2 selectable skills, no loot, chance for a simple drop, 2+1+Main+Dodge Attacks

- If you're solo, you are forced into playing with 3 bots, so I hope they have good AI. Hope the drop-in and out is good too.

- Competitive gameplay - I sure hope they thought this through well, cause if the players learn where the most pts are, it will be a disorganized mayhem filled with tons of button mashing

- No magicka-like combos - I would rewally be sold on S3 if it featured something like that, as it would promote togetherness and friendship

- Built-in voice chat

The reviewer was quite evasive on what the game does better than other, and what it doesn't. He admitted it is hardly the best of its genre, but he thought it was a good game in his opinion. Thing is, Keen Games ask full price for it, so it should be judged against the best there are - and I personally, don't think that any of its aspects are stellar. Then again, my info is limited to all the stuff I gathered over the internet, so maybe I should wait and see. The game unlocks in a day for EU anyway, so the first let's play will most likely hit youtube in like 3 days.


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