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Hello, I am Bhuja. I have been playing Sacred for nearly 10 years now, on and off of course, always in SP because I can say with certainty that almost no one has ever heard about this game in my place. Thus, imagine my surprise when I discover that Sacred actually has a dedicated forum.

 

My main char is a level 111 Gladiator. He's currently in Platinum.

His skills are:

1. Weapon Lore - 111

2. Concentration - 95

3. Constituion - 90

4. Dual Wielding - 1

5. Armor - 1

6. Agility - 1

7. Parrying - 1

8. Trading - 111

 

Now for some facts and assumptions:

-I play Sacred Gold

-I have no need for specific weapon lore because in my experience Dual Wielding override them.

-Agility, Parrying, and Armor for defense because I have no shield.

-I only ever raise Strength for stats.

-I have 1 in all Combat Arts except for Heroic Courage with 32 runes read.

-My main Combat Arts are Fist of the God and Hard Hit.

-I use complete Raane's Audacity set.

-With all gears on, I have:

15k attack

16k defense

Level 29 FotG, 1.2s cd, about 84k damage average

Level 24 HH, 0.8s cd, about 35k damage average

-I have never read any guide. I use my experience and trial-and-error method for this build.

 

Now, my questions are:

1. Are my assumptions above correct? How many are wrong?

2. Is this time to switch for another set? If so, which one? I have complete Dalmar, Andiell, and Lorgar set.

3. Am I doing low/average/good damage for my level?

4. How can I improve my Gladiator?

 

Thanks in advance :)

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http://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/172-sacred-guide-roosters-gladiator-guide/

is probably the best guide I've read. I'd put some points into armour, try get some lorgar amulets and get good weapons with elemental damage - at higher levels damage comes from what monsters are least resistant too than just tooltip/displayed damage.

Lastly I'd eat way more heroic courage runes.

 

Edit - I'd put more points into armour, agility and parrying - once weapon lore is over 100 it really has diminishing returns plus you can easily get it on items with trading skill. Damage seems a bit low but if you shop for jewelry to socket then you could get much more.

http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred:Bravemart

This is the quest that opens up 2 merchants side by side - put on your +skills/trading suit and spend some gold.

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Thanks Augmint, bot for the reply and the thread. It's a good read.

 

1. Wow. So my build is somehow closely resembles Rooster's. It's good to know that 10 years of playing Sacred on and off is not for nothing, lol.

2. Yes, I do place different elemental weapons in each slot. To be specific: 1st for Physical, 2nd for Fire, 3rd for Magic, 4th for Poison, and 5th for vs. Undead.

3. Yes, I have done Braverock's dual merchant quest and I did shop there regularly (switching back and forth between merchant to refresh their stock). I was actually surprised that this is actually intended and not a bug, I was pretty damn sure it was a bug lol. However, I haven't been shopping since late Gold because I'm kinda lazy.

3. Yes, I do have a trading suit. It gives me +98 Trading total. Is this too low?

4. Perhaps because I'm playing Single, but Lorgar's Amulet is EXTREMELY VERY RARELY DROPPED here. The last time I got one was in Silver and its stats are pitiful now. Any recommendation for farming it?

5. I forgot to mention that I haven't upgraded my arms since mid Gold. I just did (after about 20 hours+ shopping, not in a row of course). Now my Fire arms do around 50k (HH) and 140k (FotG) against weakness. A substantial increase, but very time consuming as well.

6. I keep each of my arms single elemental respective to their base element. I believe this is easier to control and manage. Should I mix the elemental damage (add Fire to Poison, etc)?

6. I guess it's time to convert a chest worth of runes I've been keeping lol. I'm also gonna increase my other 3 skills as well, thanks for the suggestion.

 

All in all, I was VERY surprised that I miss only in a few aspect, given that I have never read any guide and always play Single.

 

What intrigued me the most is Trading. Is Trading really the only way to get a good gear from Gold and above? Granted, I'm gonna look further into the forum for this particular skill, but is it possible to get OMGSOAWESUM gears from killing things (I don't really like shopping)?

 

And oh, I no longer need to increase Weapon Lore past 100 mark? That's 11 points gone... Do you know any way to reset skill points? If not, then well, guess I'll live with it then. Should I only raise Concentration and Constitution to only 100 mark as well?

 

Thannks in advance :)

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http://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/172-sacred-guide-roosters-gladiator-guide/

is probably the best guide I've read. I'd put some points into armour, try get some lorgar amulets and get good weapons with elemental damage - at higher levels damage comes from what monsters are least resistant too than just tooltip/displayed damage.

Lastly I'd eat way more heroic courage runes.

 

Edit - I'd put more points into armour, agility and parrying - once weapon lore is over 100 it really has diminishing returns plus you can easily get it on items with trading skill. Damage seems a bit low but if you shop for jewelry to socket then you could get much more.

http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred:Bravemart

This is the quest that opens up 2 merchants side by side - put on your +skills/trading suit and spend some gold.

awww, nostalgia... the writer of that guide, rooster... so on point with the math of these games and a prolific poster and great character on the forums and in the games.

 

:)

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Hello, I am Bhuja. I have been playing Sacred for nearly 10 years now, on and off of course, always in SP because I can say with certainty that almost no one has ever heard about this game in my place. Thus, imagine my surprise when I discover that Sacred actually has a dedicated forum.

 

My main char is a level 111 Gladiator. He's currently in Platinum.

His skills are:

1. Weapon Lore - 111

2. Concentration - 95

3. Constituion - 90

4. Dual Wielding - 1

5. Armor - 1

6. Agility - 1

7. Parrying - 1

8. Trading - 111

 

Now for some facts and assumptions:

-I play Sacred Gold

-I have no need for specific weapon lore because in my experience Dual Wielding override them.

-Agility, Parrying, and Armor for defense because I have no shield.

-I only ever raise Strength for stats.

-I have 1 in all Combat Arts except for Heroic Courage with 32 runes read.

-My main Combat Arts are Fist of the God and Hard Hit.

-I use complete Raane's Audacity set.

-With all gears on, I have:

15k attack

16k defense

Level 29 FotG, 1.2s cd, about 84k damage average

Level 24 HH, 0.8s cd, about 35k damage average

-I have never read any guide. I use my experience and trial-and-error method for this build.

 

Now, my questions are:

1. Are my assumptions above correct? How many are wrong?

2. Is this time to switch for another set? If so, which one? I have complete Dalmar, Andiell, and Lorgar set.

3. Am I doing low/average/good damage for my level?

4. How can I improve my Gladiator?

 

Thanks in advance :)

glad you're loving this game so much, Varian, welcome to DarkMatters!

:)

gogo

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Thanks Augmint, bot for the reply and the thread. It's a good read.

 

1. Wow. So my build is somehow closely resembles Rooster's. It's good to know that 10 years of playing Sacred on and off is not for nothing, lol.

2. Yes, I do place different elemental weapons in each slot. To be specific: 1st for Physical, 2nd for Fire, 3rd for Magic, 4th for Poison, and 5th for vs. Undead.

3. Yes, I have done Braverock's dual merchant quest and I did shop there regularly (switching back and forth between merchant to refresh their stock). I was actually surprised that this is actually intended and not a bug, I was pretty damn sure it was a bug lol. However, I haven't been shopping since late Gold because I'm kinda lazy.

3. Yes, I do have a trading suit. It gives me +98 Trading total. Is this too low?

4. Perhaps because I'm playing Single, but Lorgar's Amulet is EXTREMELY VERY RARELY DROPPED here. The last time I got one was in Silver and its stats are pitiful now. Any recommendation for farming it?

5. I forgot to mention that I haven't upgraded my arms since mid Gold. I just did (after about 20 hours+ shopping, not in a row of course). Now my Fire arms do around 50k (HH) and 140k (FotG) against weakness. A substantial increase, but very time consuming as well.

6. I keep each of my arms single elemental respective to their base element. I believe this is easier to control and manage. Should I mix the elemental damage (add Fire to Poison, etc)?

6. I guess it's time to convert a chest worth of runes I've been keeping lol. I'm also gonna increase my other 3 skills as well, thanks for the suggestion.

 

All in all, I was VERY surprised that I miss only in a few aspect, given that I have never read any guide and always play Single.

 

What intrigued me the most is Trading. Is Trading really the only way to get a good gear from Gold and above? Granted, I'm gonna look further into the forum for this particular skill, but is it possible to get OMGSOAWESUM gears from killing things (I don't really like shopping)?

 

And oh, I no longer need to increase Weapon Lore past 100 mark? That's 11 points gone... Do you know any way to reset skill points? If not, then well, guess I'll live with it then. Should I only raise Concentration and Constitution to only 100 mark as well?

 

Thannks in advance :)

I've got a level 110 gladiator with a 163 trading suit. HH does around 46 to 75K damage, 39% crit chance (fadalmars axe).

Trading is boring but socketing jewelry with +combat art and regen special move on the same item is a huge boost. Plus getting defence on amulets and gear is hard without shopping. I also use Combo runes alot.

Forgot raanes full set gives heroic courage. I think if you get HC high enough you can get regen lower than duration - plus when you have a full set some it is usually low level. But the set bonuses are nice.

 

I wouldn't mix elemental damage - maybe fire and undead damage.

Best area go get drops IMO is to farm the shaddar rims.

http://pctalk.info/Games/Sacred2/Wolfes.Lair/SacredUnderworld/Pages/PopularHG-RimValley.html

Really useful site.

 

RE Weapon lore. I wouldn't cap it at 100, just that I'd try and put more points in armour, aglity and parrying. My gladiator has +37 weapon lore without making it a priority, you can shop for more but putting points in defensive skills and get damage from +HH/fotg bonuses and regen special move bonuses would be more useful IMO.

There are mods around to change skill points and attributes but your build is fine.

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@gogoblender

Thanks for the warm welcome, gogoblender.

Well, I always like HnS ARPG. Titan Quest, Diablo II (don't play Diablo III, feels so WEIRD), Restricted Area, Dungeon Siege II, Sacred 1 and 2.

Needless to say, Diablo II holds the number 1. Tough to compete with this.

Sacred 1 is the runner-up, I love the complexity and the increases every little buffs give you. You really feel like your character is growing with you (literally in my case). Storyline might as well not be there, but I always prefer combat and items much more than the story itself (unless the story is really uber-awesome).

Dungeon Siege II (haven't played I) get the Bronze. It has good storyline, nice complexity, and the graphic that ages well. Overall a great game. The only downside is the graphic sometimes feel rather cartoonish and the items sometimes look ridiculous.

Thing is, I can never delve into Sacred 2 too much. Something just didn't feel quite right.

Titan Quest is just way too short and simple for my taste. A bit overrated I say.

Always have a soft spot for Divine Divinity. Guess the rose-tinted nostalgia glasses does affect me more than I'd like to admit (I never like Beyond Divinity).

Restricted Area, another German-made game has quite a bit potential, but it's extremely BORING and REPETITIVE.

Path of Exile is hair-tearingly complex it's confusing. Play it, dislike it.

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@Augmint

Sorry, just saw your reply.

Thanks again for the site. Wolfe' Lair is very informative.

 

I have another few questions though, hope you wouldn't mind:

1. In Wolfe's Lair, it's mentioned that a skill max level is 255 with items. Say that I have a 216 Trading. With my current Trading suit (+124 Trading), it will be level 340. Will the additional level still provide bonus?

2. Does Heroic Courage has some kind of "Hard Cap"? Mine currently, with gears on, is level 135. From level 130 I saw no incease in both Attack and Defense although the tooltips says it should. Is this a bug?

3. What is Split? In my 10 years of play, I have never tried this one item mod.

4. By "mod" do you mean trainers? The one that will make you grow bunny ears when you use it?

 

Thanks in advance :)

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1. Unfortunately can;t properly answer as the highest level character I have is level 115 and trading around 210. But yes you should get 340 points and it should still provide a boost . However in Sacred 2 there was a cap with bargaining where going more than 4 x your level made no difference.

 

2. Might be that HC from raanes full set bonus is capped? I.e based on highest item level? There's a few tool tip bugs in both sacred games. There were a few sets that gave permanent buffs - the battle mage had a set with perm. ghost meadow but I can't recall how it calculated the spell level.

 

3. http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred:Split

Split is awesome. I'll use battle mage as an example - say I have 10% split and use ring of ice which hits multiple times. Get a big group of monsters and EACH HIT there's a 10% chance they will split in 2 with half life from the moment they split. So a big group can give alot more experience. Basically you want to use combat arts with multiple hits like poison mist, ring of ice, poison tendrils, dagger stare, etc

4. Yeah the rabbit ear one. CharModif.exe

Got it from sacred dark bloods about 3 or 4 years ago. I think I only ever used it once - was trying an ebolts seraphim build.

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http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred:Dralkcib%27s_Puissance

OK from what it says on the wiki its a fixed amount for full set bonus ghost meadow and heroic courage so it doesn't seem to calculate it from runes read, the daemon is the only one to have set bonus combat art based on runes read. Maybe the highest set item level determines HC?

 

EDIT - found an old thread.

http://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/6434-my-vote-for-the-most-useless-set-bonus/

half way down mentions HC.

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@Augmint
1. Hm, yes I remember that. If it will still provide bonus, it's great then!
2. Thanks a lot for the old thread, it fully answers my confusion.
3. LOL! So that's what Split does? No wonder my Seraphim (level 175) back in 2008 sometimes "failed" to kill mobs with Lightning Bolt. I thought it was a bug because in my language Split means "cleave" so I thought it was some kind of instant-kill or super critical. Thanks for the explanations and vids!
4. Eh, guess I'll pass then. Bunny ears would look cute on my Seraphim but absolutely NOT on Gladiator lol.


On the other hand, you are very knowledgeable about this game. How long have you been playing? Is this game supports multiplayer like battle.net? LAN is useless because no one knows about this game here and try as I might, I could never make either open or closed internet works.

Thanks for your answers. For now, I already have a clear plan for my Gladiator :)

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Been playing since 2010? - it took a while to find this forum. Not knowledgable compared to guys who've put up builds but I've played a few builds posted here - Daemon Soaring demon/infernal power build, BM thunderboy, BM - flame spiral, POison mist dark elf.

l've played Sacred with Sacred 2 on and off, and of the two its far easier to jump straight into the original sacred.

Only played SP as well. Sacred servers went down a few years ago AFAIK - most people mention tunngle? and hamachi for online play.

RE mods - http://www.sacredvault.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=1li7603j1cn1g3sa3ufuf6i7n0&action=tpmod;dl=cat1

I can't speak german but it may interest you.

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