Who else takes time to SB Train

[EvilMale 7]

Well I am sitting here sb trainning a new mage and started thinking how many others will do this to prep a toon. I know its a boring process and not alot of people will go out of their way to do so but I find my self doing it more and more. could it be that I am addicted to the higer drop rate when adding mf to a toon with a high sb or do I really love to torture my self and be bored for hours on end?

[Silearth 6]

I do it from time to time, but never for very long. I usually go to about 30% on a level 1 toon before I get the itch the start playing.

[Schot 407]

lol evil. Is this a subtle hint at something?

 

 

I confess I do prefer to spoil my characters rotten before heading them off into battle. Every since I started a greed Dwarf I've been doing it pretty regularly... I do try to hide it but every once in a while I do get caught in the act, lol. It's not boring at all though. I just set it up just before bed and my bran new character trains while I sleep. Granted 2 pretty phenomenal uniques are needed of which most have never seen. I've looked around on all the sites and no one has these. Been meaning to post about them but have just been so busy. I'm going to try really hard to post about it this week.... I need a vacation! lol.

[EvilMale 7]

really Schot do tell I wanna know what this special something is and then I want it for my self lol come to Evil My Precious

[Schot 407]

lol, working on the explaination now.

[Silearth 6]

lol, working on the explaination now.

 

Yes, I must know as well. If I left my toon on HC overnight I would awake to find that they had been kicked after a short period and no SB for me.

[chrenus 0]

anyway whats SB?

 

ty

[Schot 407]

Heya Chrenos

 

SB is Survival Bonus which is most popular for it's ability to improve your base Chance of Finding Special Items which you can read about on the SacredWiki. Survival Bonus. It is part of the Chance of Finding Special Items equation and this is also known as MF or Magic Find.

 

I'm working on an explanaition of the trick I use to improve my SB easily and should have that done tomorrow.

 

Hope that helps!

[chrenus 0]

oh yeah

 

interesting I allways wondered what that is. by the way I noticed it also improves damage. at least I think. I ll try it out on single player.

 

ty. and explain fast

 

P.S. I just visited wiki and the damage is mentioned there . I leave the upper part unedited so others see that it is important to look there first

Edited November 30, 2007 by chrenus

[Csaszar 2]

Hi

 

 

I never do "conventional" SB increases training for any of my chars. In my experience SB counts much more less than the majoroty of players think. It SHOULD make the difference but in HC where every toon is a high SB toon the small differences mean not too much.

 

SB has mainly 2 uses for us:

 

#1, gives some bonus damage

#2, gives some bonus to MF or amplify the effect of MF

 

Lets stay with #2

 

SB effects MF very little in the conventional way. BUT there is a way to use SB to get you extreem "uber" drops. THe following strategy comes from a very old Softcore idea which was *hehe* modified a bit.

 

So the HC way of using SB to get drops actually needs the following things to make ot really worth trying:

 

- a very very fast lvling att he lower lvls (this is depending what kind of items you are after. If you desire lower level stuff than this part is not neccesary)

- an unusual amount of MF (unusual - considering the char level and the difficulty you are playing)

- the most important: a large and concentrated pool of - at least medium drop quality - enemies.

 

Lets use Ghost Cave for the example (well a fine example it is):

 

At GC (or GF or GW or GG or GT or GS) there is a high Ghost concentration in a relative small and quick to respawnable place. Every high monster will do but now lets stick to our example place. You go in and you gather a mob then you kill them as fast as possible. Its very important that the gathering process should take as few time as possible. Why? Now comes the main idea in place.

 

SB could (I amnot saying its not modifying your real MF chance - just it does it only a VERY little) help you with MFing BUT what really helps and has an easily noticable effect is the moment when your SB is GROWING. At the time when your SB amount is changing you will get awesome drops for a few seconds.

 

Imagine what happens if that change (for example when your SB changes from 21% to 22%) happens when you are crowded with a good drop rate mob AND you have considerable amount of MF.

 

Seeing SB this way in the reality SB helps you in MFing that long as its low enough to frequently change.

 

This method is accurately tested and working. In Softcore the seasoned players (the higher the char the better the effect) regulary committed suicides to start SB over to get the high and fast SB increase and the godly drops. Well that wont work in HC but the "low SB high MF high level Char mass killing good droprate monsters" method is working very very well.

 

Ofc this isnt the only way to get great drops BUT as long as your SB is low enough to be able to frequently increase it shines the common "as high as possible SB from the start" method hundred times

[FrostElfGuard 9]

k.

 

Now I'm going to be checking out my SB at start of session and after each set item drop (or unique).

 

This could very interesting.

[Csaszar 2]

Hi

 

OK

 

Best results are achieved if you mule/hoard every available MF gear to this test char. I got some "3 uniq + 4 set" drops using this method in VoT

[Schot 407]

Ah that would make sense Csaszar. SB affects how you spawn enemies. During the time when your SB increases to the next % the enemies presently on your screen will not be affected. Their stats remain the same, or should... So for those enemies that haven't been affected by your new level of SB might appear to give nicer drops. Or it might just be chance... I know that I've often thought that when my character gets his next level that drops briefly are better. However it has never been consistently proven. Oddly enough I've never really noticed any special drops when starting a new character whos SB is rising quite often. Maybe I'm missing something though.

 

On the other hand I notice a consistent improvement in drops when I play a level 1 character with 97% SB. Whats even more cool is that when your new character starts off at level 1 with very high SB the things you get from chests, boxes and barrels is much much better. When I did this the first time with a test BM of 97% SB I just ran around Braverock opening all the chests to see what goodies were there, lol. The things I found were those blue or yellow items. Not sets or uniques but still much better than the usual white items you would get with average SB.

 

If you'd like to play around with a level 1 Dwarf with high SB as well as high MF Chrenus you can download a Dwarf I made some time ago.

A journey into... Greed!

The download link is in the 8th post of that topic.

 

Have fun!

 

 

Video of the SB trick should be up shortly with an explanation.

[chrenus 0]

heh ty csaszar and schoth

 

csaszar - hmmm somehow I think schoth is right. Now imagine that programers are developing a game and something like what you described would work. well I am not a developer but the thing that schoth described seems to be more realistic while the over normal difference in toon level and SB. In the view of schots oppinion your idea of getting increased drop every time the SB changes does not somehow make sense (to me - because it is a small relative chance compared to what schoth said). anyway I am a begginer and I realy do not know much about the game (no toon above 90lvl).

 

schoth - com on ma n I m Chrenus not Chrenos... schoth . hmm I`ll try that dwarf if I manage to make it work ( I am not good with PC stuff )

 

and have a nice december

Edited December 1, 2007 by chrenus

[Arilaftia 0]

hmm Ive never acutally sat and sb trained myself, I would lose my mine if I had to just sit. It was fun when we all lounged on the isle that one day though, It would come in handy when we get in our chat parties But after reading all this, I will have to give it a try!

[Schot 407]

Oh it's so exciting the first time Ari. After you have the high SB that is, haha. Give it a go.

 

@Chrenus:

Very sorry about that. You made your point very clear, lol. I've corrected the spelling in my previous post.

[Silearth 6]

I've got my newest WE, a bow user this time, set up with Schot's uniques in a PVP bronze game. I'll head downstairs to do some housework for a few hours....lol

[Schot 407]

Happy SBing! Don't forget to floss!

[EvilMale 7]

Well Looks like I will give this a try and turn my monitor off and go to bed Night guys

[gogoblender 3,069]

Great thread

 

I've never actually trained my toon with sb before because the benefits of it v.s. time put in are so short lived for a HC toon. Usually by the time you're in plat which is not all that hard, the number runs into the nineties...automatically, just because you're still alive.

The bonuses this mod gives cannot be discounted however, and what we take for granted at a high level is very useful at a low level. So especially for things like kami's or clan v.s. clan

 

muhahhaha

 

Getting that sb bonus up very fast at a low level can have some pretty strategic uses.

 

 

gogo

[Silearth 6]

60% SB on my level 1 WE and climbing

[chrenus 0]

I tried this with dwarf.

 

I left the game runnig while I was sleeping. Seven hours maybe - got 70%. It was low level dwarf and these 70% percent are perfectly helping him to run silver smoothly. the damage boost is just enough to take out enemies by one blow of flamethrower.

 

Schot - its ok, now I can sleep peacfully

[Silearth 6]

This is an addiction. I got her to 60 and then started playing her. Now at level 43 her SB is in the low 80's I think. No! Must not let her level catch up to her SB!

 

Have to set up the uniques again before I go to work.

[Schot 407]

lol sil. It is kind of addictive for a while. "Must have more! Must have better!"

[EvilMale 7]

Well I have been Sb Training my Mages before unleashing them for battle that and shopping I am afraid I still sb train my way as well when ever I am on the forum or playing my browser games