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1 hour ago, Dax said:

Trader build, most likely. :tongue2:

Jokes aside, those who can, stay at home, close the door behind you, dont let the cat out. Dont pick up the newspaper, or letters, wear disposable gloves if you go shopping. Cov19 can live up to 72 hours on certain materials and surfaces.

I don't want to say this is good news. But one article I read a couple weeks ago, said that COVID-19 could survive up to 9 days on room temperature surfaces.  - 3 days is much more understandable.  Thanks for the info Dax. And I did look it up, and you are definitely correct. Plastics and stainless steel (3-days), 24 hours for cardboard, and shorter for others.

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2 hours ago, gogoblender said:

I never thought it would become like this... in our buses, the front of the bus is now not for entry as its entire section is cordonned off by plastic so that the drivers have very very minimal interaction with the public.

And transportation...is free

As I wrote: we have the driver isolated, but people need a ticket. The driver isn't selling it. old people haven't the newest smartphones for a handy-ticket app. Countryside hasn't the new ticket automats for e-tickets and the next new-automat is 12 miles away... Politicians did a quick shot out of the hip and missed totally in this case. Free tickets were asked by many village mayors but votes are counted by people in a village. So my 126 people is just 1/40 the vote power of the district town.

The town has a nice problem: the biggest factory there closed for 6 weeks because noone will buy their products at the moment. But that factory had its own company based firefighter department which was like half of the firefighting menpower of the town. 50000 people in town  and only 21 paid firefighters there. We have 126 people and 23 volunteers

We said the last 10 years that they should upgrade their volunteer firefighters of 11 old people , no success, people claiming to time eating (= not paid). Our (and the ones from other villages) equipment is mainly for forest fires, car crashes on nearby secondary, but not for fighting fires which need access to anything higher than the second floor.

Corona shows all errors in disaster fighting dramatically. The young people in bureau of health are nice and social, but none of them was or is medic, firefighter, disaster relief member, ... Then not even show up on exercises. Nice theories, most from good support in towns, but close a company and they have no Plan B.

In all firefighters of the district, none is doing homeoffice. There are farmers who have to leave farm work, a smith who may ruin his work by leaving for a firefight while iron is still heated,...

Something is terrible wrong and we need corona to see it.

 

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55 minutes ago, DarkWolfNine said:

Oh wow! - (I agree with buying minimally more than your usual stuff). I don't quite get the reason you want to buy 10 large packages of toilet paper (and probably weekly! *sigh*) at least when you could buy without a quantity restriction.

Some may still know how I earned my money as a student after leaving navy: as a diver - cleaning and repairing sewers and waste water treatment plants. Luckily only 3 semester breaks then I was good enough for being asked for as assistant teacher. I got the diving job because I got a license at navy and a third of the divers was in hospital.

A cut in the dive suit was in 90% of the cases instant hospital visit because of all the bacteria and molds. Mold infections lasts for quite a while. Most feared by us was: TOILET PAPER. Not the paper ones, but these smooth creamy baby wipes which stay intact all the way through the sewage till the filters stop them. They are not designed to be thrown into the toilet but into the waste.

A friend from wastewater clearing says that because normal toilet paper being sold out people use baby wipes and wet wipes as if they would be normal toilet paper. Number of clearing the filters is daily and not weekly now. They ordered customized shark suits (chainmails) and got the first. Daily cleaning was making them tired and being tired leads to mistakes and mistakes to cuts, ...

Stockpiling toilet paper is a high health risk for the people at the wastewater clearing. I know it before and people should know it now too.

p.s.:: We are not connected to the sewage and clearing of our waste water is done with our own wood pellets, air, pond and plant system. So I kinda keep in training as a wastewater diver ;)

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I work for a Food Distribution company.  We're one of the leading such companies in the southern US, but quarantine measures have put us in serious jeopardy. 

We have the contract to distribute food to every public school in the state.  And now all the schools are shut down, in this state and the neighboring ones. 

We distribute to restaurants, both national chains like Subway, and local mom & pop places.  All are taking a huge beating in sales, as no one is going out to eat.

As bad as business has become, our CEO decided that instead of laying off anyone (remember health care in my country is exorbitantly expensive and health insurance is paid by the employer), they've instead decided to cut our hours down from 40hr to 32hr workweeks in order to preserve everyone's jobs.

So starting next week I'm going to be working 6hr days.

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7 hours ago, Flix said:

I work for a Food Distribution company.  We're one of the leading such companies in the southern US, but quarantine measures have put us in serious jeopardy. 

We have the contract to distribute food to every public school in the state.  And now all the schools are shut down, in this state and the neighboring ones. 

We distribute to restaurants, both national chains like Subway, and local mom & pop places.  All are taking a huge beating in sales, as no one is going out to eat.

As bad as business has become, our CEO decided that instead of laying off anyone (remember health care in my country is exorbitantly expensive and health insurance is paid by the employer), they've instead decided to cut our hours down from 40hr to 32hr workweeks in order to preserve everyone's jobs.

So starting next week I'm going to be working 6hr days.

Maybe the CEO is interested in a more direct food distribution. Deliver food straight to the front door. Why not? Order online, or via phone, your company delivers it. Citizens would avoid mass-contact by staying at home, CEO is happy, money starts rolling in, and you keep your job. Sounds like a plan to me.

The only critical point is that the employees that have direct contact with food and stuff must be clean. Not infected. Or even better, survived cov19. Otherwise they could become superspreaders, carrying the infection from home to home. I would say go for it, every boss likes employees with good ideas.

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I thought it over. I assume it is better to make contact to the National Guard, or the Army and let them do the delivery job. It is just a matter of time until they are getting deployed. Winner takes it all, I would say.

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13 hours ago, Flix said:

I work for a Food Distribution company.  We're one of the leading such companies in the southern US, but quarantine measures have put us in serious jeopardy. 

We have the contract to distribute food to every public school in the state.  And now all the schools are shut down, in this state and the neighboring ones. 

We distribute to restaurants, both national chains like Subway, and local mom & pop places.  All are taking a huge beating in sales, as no one is going out to eat.

As bad as business has become, our CEO decided that instead of laying off anyone (remember health care in my country is exorbitantly expensive and health insurance is paid by the employer), they've instead decided to cut our hours down from 40hr to 32hr workweeks in order to preserve everyone's jobs.

So starting next week I'm going to be working 6hr days.

That sucks, Flix :( I know a lot of people on my street as well re food are taking hits ... we are hoping that the govt is going to help ... im at least glad that your case is not a complete lay off but an accomodation... after seeing news this morning, i'm just hoping we get through this as fast asap. and Im going to buy some more meat than usual... not really my thing, but even me is getting a bit pannicky.  Bell, one of the largest communication businesses in Canada had some of their huge junctions "drop" because of massive traffic congestion and this has even impacted my own customers' experience ... people from BEll can reach people from Fido or Rogers...

I see... Dominoes...

:O

:oooo:

 

gogo

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22 hours ago, Androdion said:

I did buy one more unit of each of the usual weekly stuff, wouldn't exactly call it stockpiling to be honest. Supermarkets are still open, we just have restrictions when leaving our houses. Only one person allowed to come out at a time, only one customer per 100 square meters of comercial surface, a safe distance when within the shop, stuff like that. And if the cops pull me over and tell I can't be at that place they'll (for now) escort me back home. If I don't comply they can arrest me on the spot. It's kind of a simplified martial law without the repression and the curfew. If things get better and people behave well enough it shouldn't go any further than this. We'll see how it goes.

Thanks for the kind words guys.

One person at a time ?  with a human density restriction ??

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gogo

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Yep, some stores can only have one client within the store at a time while the rest are lining up outside. Many stores have a minimal safe distance to the counter and don't deal face to face with the clients. Stuff like that.

We had a big climb in cases and deaths over the past couple of days so this is still on the rise, it will take a while before it passes.

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6 minutes ago, Androdion said:

Yep, some stores can only have one client within the store at a time while the rest are lining up outside. Many stores have a minimal safe distance to the counter and don't deal face to face with the clients. Stuff like that.

We had a big climb in cases and deaths over the past couple of days so this is still on the rise, it will take a while before it passes.

theyre putting markings here in some of the stores on my street... to help "guide" where to be standing for social distancing.... pretty clever

:)

 

gogo

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My parents in law and my mom did a walk yesterday evening to relax and take some sunlight. The twins and a niece were with them. Twins were exited and kinda forced us to make a meal from all the stuff they collected: bear garlic, young dandelions, field salade, young hop, mushrooms .... Only thing added were some eggs from own hens and quails.

A farmer places potatoe, milk, onions, honey, fresh herbs and some more at the firefighting building . There is only a box for money, no one controlling. Working fine.

All nice, but how long can you hold up an isolation? Sooner or later school, university and whatever have to start again.

 

A friend who runs a restaurant closed. Luckily his own house so no running costs. He is considering to write a book about his time as a ship cook with some recipes from all over the world. He plans cooking classes for the time after corona because he thinks that it will take a year before people remember his restaurant on countryside again.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, chattius said:

My parents in law and my mom did a walk yesterday evening to relax and take some sunlight. The twins and a niece were with them. Twins were exited and kinda forced us to make a meal from all the stuff they collected: bear garlic, young dandelions, field salade, young hop, mushrooms .... Only thing added were some eggs from own hens and quails.

A farmer places potatoe, milk, onions, honey, fresh herbs and some more at the firefighting building . There is only a box for money, no one controlling. Working fine.

All nice, but how long can you hold up an isolation? Sooner or later school, university and whatever have to start again.

 

A friend who runs a restaurant closed. Luckily his own house so no running costs. He is considering to write a book about his time as a ship cook with some recipes from all over the world. He plans cooking classes for the time after corona because he thinks that it will take a year before people remember his restaurant on countryside again.

 

 

its like our entire world is slowly getting slower and ...were reverting... lol I can already see the science faction or movie being written about this time... 

"during the years 2019 to 2021" the virus ravaged the world....

 

:oooo:

 

ggo

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2 hours ago, gogoblender said:

China says they're on top of it now...and factories are starting up again... real or not real?

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gogo

Factories start working again in China? I think so. Money must roll in at all costs. Civil unrest could topple the government. I guess they go for max darvinism. Who survives, good. Who does not survive....good. The rich buy a cozy ICU place, the rest has to deal with it somehow. I believe as soon as cov19 reaches the poorer regions of China, the infection will spread again. The difference is, there will be no press allowed. Has China cov19 under control? Hard to say. You cant test one billion people in such a short time. Also, China has lots of seasonal workers. They could carry cov19 into all parts of the country. 

The good news are that countries across the planet work on a vaccine against cov19. First tests are running already, a guy from curevac, a German company, said that a vaccine could be ready in October possibly maybe.

 

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5 minutes ago, Dax said:

 

The good news are that countries across the planet work on a vaccine against cov19. First tests are running already, a guy from curevac, a German company, said that a vaccine could be ready in October possibly maybe.

 

I know there are a number of companies looking for vaccines and a cure... 

big money at stake here

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gogo

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Luckily no big money. Trump tried to buy rights for a possible vakzime from a german company for 1.000.000.000$ for the USA. But USA wanted all rights on it and America first in delivery. The owner of the research company said: No Chance. I don't want to make money with this.

The last news I read and discussed with my wife was using an existing vakzime against tubercolosis. Advantage: it is tested, side effects known. Disadvantage: it is not a full vakzime against corona. But because of similiarities in the virus hull it may boost the immune system long enough till a final vakzime is found.

If we would have cases in neighbour villages my wife is considering to use it on high risk people like her mom. Old, and immune system suppressed because of cancer.

https://www.mdr.de/wissen/mensch-alltag/corona-suche-nach-impfstoffen-malaria-medikament-im-test100.html

 

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1 hour ago, gogoblender said:

I know there are a number of companies looking for vaccines and a cure... 

big money at stake here

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gogo

Who scores a homerun here, will carry the cash home with both hands for the next 10.000 years. No company on this planet works for free, or just for humanity and compassion. It is all about the money, nothing else. This counts for Mr Hopp too, the man chattius mentioned. Every country that wants to produce the cov19 vaccine, has to buy the license. Big money? Yes!

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chattius I doubt that your wife can order VPM1002. I did not find much about it. Besides, where do you got the amount of money from the American President offered to buy CureVac? The story disappeared quickly from the media.

 

 

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From the new York times


Search for Coronavirus Vaccine Becomes a Global CompetitionThe United States, China and Europe are battling to be the first to find a cure, bringing a nationalist element to a worldwide crisis.

The United States, China and Europe are battling to be the first to find a cure, bringing a nationalist element to a worldwide crisis.

 

FAster guys, faster...

:superman:

gogo

 

 

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The amount of cyberattacks on the affiliated companies will skyrocket. I hope that there will be a solution, before the society becomes unstable. Americans buy all kind of weapons and ammo to blast the heads of plunderers and intruders off. Scary. Escalation spiral, please dont start turning.

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This morning my brother really drilled it into me to have a 14 day supply of food  as well as medication.  Mcdonalds just issued an email this morning that they are not even letting their restaurants stay open for take out... :oooo: 

Anyone got ideas for a four teen day supply of food? I guess it should be invulnerable to having to be refrigerated? 

LIke... GAK ... Canned Waxed Beans?

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gogo

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I eat low-carb so for me it's meat and vegetables.  Those packets of tuna fish in sunflower oil hold up really well.  My veggies are all frozen.

And giant jars of peanut butter of course.

I had a terrible migraine yesterday and was convinced I had the virus. It was one of those hot-spike-through-the-eye headaches.  It's cleared up today.  I guess the paranoia's starting to set in.

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1 hour ago, Flix said:

I eat low-carb so for me it's meat and vegetables.  Those packets of tuna fish in sunflower oil hold up really well.  My veggies are all frozen.

And giant jars of peanut butter of course.

I had a terrible migraine yesterday and was convinced I had the virus. It was one of those hot-spike-through-the-eye headaches.  It's cleared up today.  I guess the paranoia's starting to set in.

Im happy you got over that migraine ...i used to get those chonically years ago...but i have them mostly under control now, I understand how painful they can be... blinds, quietness, water and all... also... i never heard of tuna in packets before... do you have a link of what you've bought? Ive never heard or seen that before

And Peanut butter...

of course!

:superman:

 

gogo

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21 hours ago, Dax said:

chattius I doubt that your wife can order VPM1002. I did not find much about it. Besides, where do you got the amount of money from the American President offered to buy CureVac? The story disappeared quickly from the media.

I didn't say ordering it but discussing the possibility. Latest info is that Hospital at Utrecht(?) will do a field test with tubercolisis vaccine. Before I married her and a year after she was student at the university hospital of Marburg. As a student she did a joined research with a company there: Behringwerke. Behring was the first to win a Nobel price in medicine: for antitoxins.

Then she became a doc there. Her doctor father was involved in fighting the Marburg fever outbreak at the university. At the first Sars outbreak, swine flue and some minor others she was still working at Marburg. Wasn't before the twins that she went away from hospital for full time countryside doc.

2 hours ago, gogoblender said:

This morning my brother really drilled it into me to have a 14 day supply of food  as well as medication.  Mcdonalds just issued an email this morning that they are not even letting their restaurants stay open for take out... :oooo: 

Anyone got ideas for a four teen day supply of food? I guess it should be invulnerable to having to be refrigerated? 

LIke... GAK ... Canned Waxed Beans?

:sick:

gogo

Sauerkraut ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut#Health_effects

If you have a cool room you can store potato.

Canada should have a good supply of dried cranberries.

Olive oil

Eggs

fluor

butter

...

Schupfnudel mit Cranberry-Sauerkraut, I know a young person not far away who could survive for years on this diet. Schupfnudel are something like roasted potato dumplings.

https://foodal.com/recipes/pasta/german-schupfnudeln-potato-dumplings-for-every-occasion/

You can add roasted dices of bacon, tomato, pineapples, parmesan... Roast all or give the SAuerkraut later (more vitamines and healthy bacteria this way)...

73183-schupfnudeln-mit-apfel-sauerkraut.

Except cranberry and pineapples we can all grow or keep ourself.

As a drink to the meal we prefer Malzbier (Malt beer). Beer where the yeast is added just above 0C. This way nearly no alcohol (<0,4%) is produced. But B vitamins from yeast are in. Hop reduces nervosity and some more good stuff like minerals.

Schupfnudel have less fat than pommes frites, and you can mix fine cut herbs into the potato dough for some extra health boost.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, gogoblender said:

I never heard of tuna in packets before... do you have a link of what you've bought? Ive never heard or seen that before

https://starkist.com/products/pouches

Don't know if they have them in Canada or not.  There's a billion varieties.  Very fresh tasting...useful for cooking or just eating straight out of the pouch.

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2 hours ago, Flix said:

I had a terrible migraine yesterday and was convinced I had the virus. It was one of those hot-spike-through-the-eye headaches.  It's cleared up today.

Did you try triggerpoint massage already? It works. Had terrible headache including sensory problems on the left half of my face for months. Docs tried everything possible, but could not solve the riddle. Got myself a book about tpm gave it a try and within days I got rid of everything. I know that migraine is something else, but maybe you want to give it a try. Migraine affiliated drugs arent the healthiest ones.

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