An easy character for a returning Sacred 2 player?

[SLD 524]

11 hours ago, Sethi22 said:

Details, please! How? List the amount from items, (separately if possible) how much from toughness, and so on. I want to see it all to believe it! Is this without divine protection?

Yes it is without divine protection. No details here, but
-toughness is at char level so a bit more than 8%...
I got the shoulders and the chest armor from the sera leech set whatever it is called in english...
Otherwise I got sockets: helm, shoulder, bracers, chest, wings, belt, pants and boots with 2 and gloves with 1
That is 17 sockets, filled with gold sera runes 3.5% phys mitigation each.

100% Physical is easy. The 100% against all other damage types are the hard ones to reach. I'm currently at around 21% there.
 

11 hours ago, Sethi22 said:

If I ever get close to values like this, I'll consider your constitutionless approach for my SW, but first I need to do it myself, at least once!

The shadow warrior probably wouldn't go all ham on the rune socketing because he needs other things like the stuff for hitchance. But in return he gets a huge bonus from grim resilience. Also, there are many shadow warrior set pieces with phys mitigation. So he also has an easy way of reaching 100% phys mitigaton.


The main difference is for how defense plays out between the shadow warrior and the seraphim is that the shadow warrior has regeneration and the seraphim has a shield with flat mitigation.

So the seraphim does not take damage from lots of small hits that are below the energy shield mitigation value but whenever a hit is too large the damage remains kinda permanent because the shield can't regen in combat. Also damage over time effects(like the plants on dryad island) ignore flat mitigation so they always screw up the shield.

The Shadow warrior does not really take damage as long as the damage he takes in a second is lower than his regen per second. But should a large hit or multiple small ones exceed that value in one second he can still recover that in the next second. Also, his regen works against dot effects. 

So comparing the two, the shadow warrior's system has a clear advantage, especially against damage over time. He's only at a disadvantage when a huuuge amount of small hits come in at the same time, which basically never happens in this game.

[SLD 524]

On 10/7/2024 at 11:58 PM, SLD said:

Edit5: LVL 70 now. Still orcing. Battle stance and divine protection raised to 125. Finally got 2 socketed gloves and a shoulder piece with slightly higher mitigation, getting my phys mitigation up to 92.9%.

Time for another update.
Farmed my way to level 78 now. Mastered tech lore and focus, armor lore and toughness. Keeping toughness and tech focus on char level beyond mastery. Raised divine protection and battle stance to 200 runes eaten. With the help from toughness mastery I managed to get past 97% phys mitigation - I'm getting close now
I also killed gahanka, this time before I outleveled him.

Edit: Made it to level 85. Tried to farm some side bosses for loot. Killed Thranak, Bloodclaw the Wild Boar, the priviledged Griffin, the Banshee and the Ice Lord. For the last two I had to swap to a %leech throwing star, but it worked quite well. Sadly didn't get any of the loot I wanted.

Edit2: Level 86 now, tried the grunwald dragon for loot as well, needed my throwing star again. As loot just wouldn't come I decided to do the next part of the campaign. So Octagolamus till Carnach done, the Swamp is next...

Edited October 12, 2024 by SLD

[SLD 524]

Time for another update on my BFG Sera progress:

Part 1:
Rules and Start all the way till lvl51 at the start of silver swamp
https://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/72710-an-easy-character-for-a-returning-sacred-2-player/page/3/#comment-7146269

Part2:
Rest of silver all the way till lvl70 pre gold octagolamus
https://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/72710-an-easy-character-for-a-returning-sacred-2-player/page/3/#comment-7146342

Part3:
More of gold all the way till lvl 86 at the start of gold swamp
https://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/72710-an-easy-character-for-a-returning-sacred-2-player/page/4/#comment-7146440

And now comes part 4:
Reached LvL 88, finished the gold campaign at around 53 hours in total.
Kept tech focus and toughness at character level, the rest as before. Have a bunch of unspent skillpoints waiting to be put somewhere. Attributes are still all in Stamina. Physícal mitigation is at 100%+ now. The growing toughness almost got me there already but now with the platinum runes I could obviously reach it and even free 2 sockets. Filled the sockets with dot reduction amulets. I ate 200 runes of dashing alacrity because I don't know what to do with them anymore
Technically my hardcore endavour was threatened once in all of this. That nasty Inquisitor would reflect my OP bfg damage but I didn't have enough hitchance on the leech throwing star either, so in the end that guy lasted 3 divine protections and a lot of potions in between  

Did the platinum airlines. I guess I'll follow my previous strategy, kill a few kobolds and then move the campaign to the orc cave next. We'll see...

Edit: Did feed the poor. Still lvl88.

Edit2: Lvl 90 and at the orc cave now, just as planned before.

Edit3: Lvl 95 now, still orc caveing along.

Edited October 14, 2024 by SLD

[gogoblender 3,406]

On 10/12/2024 at 5:12 PM, SLD said:

Time for another update on my BFG Sera progress:

Part 1:
Rules and Start all the way till lvl51 at the start of silver swamp
https://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/72710-an-easy-character-for-a-returning-sacred-2-player/page/3/#comment-7146269

Part2:
Rest of silver all the way till lvl70 pre gold octagolamus
https://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/72710-an-easy-character-for-a-returning-sacred-2-player/page/3/#comment-7146342

Part3:
More of gold all the way till lvl 86 at the start of gold swamp
https://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/72710-an-easy-character-for-a-returning-sacred-2-player/page/4/#comment-7146440

And now comes part 4:
Reached LvL 88, finished the gold campaign at around 53 hours in total.
Kept tech focus and toughness at character level, the rest as before. Have a bunch of unspent skillpoints waiting to be put somewhere. Attributes are still all in Stamina. Physícal mitigation is at 100%+ now. The growing toughness almost got me there already but now with the platinum runes I could obviously reach it and even free 2 sockets. Filled the sockets with dot reduction amulets. I ate 200 runes of darting assault because I don't know what to do with them anymore
Technically my hardcore endavour was threatened once in all of this. That nasty Inquisitor would reflect my OP bfg damage but I didn't have enough hitchance on the leech throwing star either, so in the end that guy lasted 3 divine protections and a lot of potions in between  

Did the platinum airlines. I guess I'll follow my previous strategy, kill a few kobolds and then move the campaign to the orc cave next. We'll see...

Edit: Did feed the poor. Still lvl88.

Very detailed and delicious to read. Sometimes (like this morning) we all love a bowl of meaty meat broth to sink into and this fits the bill perfectly ...specially with the side caveats that is the priceless info that only comes from experienced game play.

Aaaand...here we go... SLD any chance of you being able to get a file up to where this new heroine of yours

• takes out a current boss
• takes out out mobs for leveling?

If you can make a simple file i can import it to our youtube channel...I ask because... BFG is VERY exciting. I was dong a lot of mulling yesterday trying to recollect my feeling about BFG builds... the sounds and ranged are beautiful and this alone is enuff to create a build... I'm wondering if your delicious prose with a quick video insight into your progress will show us even more of what this demi-goddess is doing 

gogo

[SLD 524]

22 minutes ago, gogoblender said:

If you can make a simple file I can import it to our youtube channel...

You should remember that I am the one who couldn't even open ric's videos. Now I'm supposed to create videos? Of course I want you to see what gameplay looks like on my end, as we always seem to live in different worlds here on the forums, but sadly I don't think I can do this stuff. That's also why I hoped the multiplayer Idea might work out at some point so I could show you what it looks like.
I could maybe upload the save files of this Sera at some point. But that would only tell half the story I guess.

[gogoblender 3,406]

24 minutes ago, SLD said:

You should remember that I am the one who couldn't even open ric's videos. Now I'm supposed to create videos? Of course I want you to see what gameplay looks like on my end, as we always seem to live in different worlds here on the forums, but sadly I don't think I can do this stuff. That's also why I hoped the multiplayer Idea might work out at some point so I could show you what it looks like.
I could maybe upload the save files of this Sera at some point. But that would only tell half the story I guess.

Its only just a thought.

The prose after all is what we all come here for and its the big reason why, after all these years, and even after the diaspora to msn chat, irc and discord... we still manage to cling  

Thank you for giving us so much of your time and bringing back excitement to Sacred's community. 

gogo

[Sethi22 270]

9 hours ago, gogoblender said:

 a quick video insight into your progress will show us even more of what this demi-goddess is doing 

 

Yeah! Show it! You can do it! If I could do it, anyone can, really. I failed to understand that it should be put on youtube first when I made my only video so far, but you won't make that mistake and it will be a beautiful thing to watch! Show your items too at a smithing screen! Yeah. Do it, you lazy SLD! I tried a couple of recording stuff, most of which I have long forgotten since, but what I did mine with was called Bandicam. It has a big red button on it. Well, first you have to switch to gaming mode, or something like that, but the most important part is the red button!

Other than that, you're a beast sir, level 90 after a few days... I think I'm like 40ish with the lightsaber build? ((But I also do other things, like Sacred1, and then Flix posted his mod for Van Helsing (what an absolute gem of a game that is! Epic soundtrack and everything...And hungarians made it! Yaaaay we made a game!!! Whooops I'm seriously offtopic again...) So I'm all over the place now, that's what I wanted to say.)

But the lightsaber build really rocks! Man, that thing may get even more powerful than the Sera. First when you told Jacek the two builds for starters, I didn't really believe that it can get as strong as the BFG Sera and I didn't really understand, why you would advise it as a starting build. But now I see and believe it, Although still very low level, this dude takes down bosses like a MAN! It's strong, and farming your weapon at level 10 to use until the endgame makes it similar to the BFG build in that you don't need to upgrade your weapon. So another good advice noted! Keep it going!

 

 

Edited October 14, 2024 by Sethi22

[gogoblender 3,406]

13 minutes ago, Sethi22 said:

and then Flix posted his mod for Van Helsing (what an absolute gem of a game that is! Epic soundtrack and everything...And hungarians made it! Yaaaay we made a game!!! Whooops I'm seriously offtopic again...) So I'm all over the place now, that's what I wanted to say.)

 

 

 

Thats wonderful Sethi

never change 

remain beloved

gogo

[SLD 524]

8 minutes ago, Sethi22 said:

Yeah! Show it! You can do it! If I could do it, anyone can, really. I failed to understand that it should be put on youtube first when I made my only video so far, but you won't make that mistake and it will be a beautiful thing to watch! Show your items too at a smithing screen! Yeah. Do it, you lazy SLD!

I've already recorded a quick 5 min demonstration of what it looks like right now. But those 5 mins will probably take about an hour to upload... so no smithing gear breakdown for you... With my upload those 5 min were already far too long.
No youtube for you either but that is something gogo can handle as he already does for ric.

Don't expect anywhere near your SW in power as this is a self found pure campaign(so no boss farming) hardcore run. So my gear is nowhere near what I would want and I still haven't put points in tactics lore or enabled the third buff so no damage scaling there either. All sockets are filled defensively so far. And that defense works out nicely as you will see...

This playthrough under the hardest conditions I could come up with was just to prove that my guide is playable under these conditions, even though I've never played a campaign run or hardcore or fully selffound before. So it's supposed to prove the mechanics I bank on don't break under conditions I never played before.
So far it holds up nicely and perfectly proves my point.

[SLD 524]

36 minutes ago, Sethi22 said:

Other than that, you're a beast sir, level 90 after a few days..

A few days ingame playtime? yes, otherwise we're at around 2 weeks now.

[gogoblender 3,406]

23 minutes ago, SLD said:

I've already recorded a quick 5 min demonstration of what it looks like right now. But those 5 mins will probably take about an hour to upload... 

Thanks for this insane dedication!  Uploading to the darkmatters servers is MUCH slower than

you creating your video file from your playing

and then directly uploading to youtube

uploading to youtube is a simple drag and drop of the video file you created over to another window that has youtube opened on it to your own personal youtube account

You guys are almost there!

gogo

 

[gogoblender 3,406]

27 minutes ago, SLD said:

So far it holds up nicely and perfectly proves my point.

There are no points 

just the joy

 

gogo

[Sethi22 270]

8 minutes ago, SLD said:

A few days ingame playtime? yes, otherwise we're at around 2 weeks now.

Really? Well, time flies. I thought it was a few days max...

26 minutes ago, SLD said:

So far it holds up nicely and perfectly proves my point.

It sure does. But you don't even have to prove anything any more, I just believe you now. You're my mentor!

[SLD 524]

5 minutes ago, gogoblender said:

Uploading to the darkmatters servers is MUCH slower than

you creating your video file from your playing

I would guess my upload speed is the bottleneck here.
 

5 minutes ago, gogoblender said:

and then directly uploading to youtube

I guess that one will be far faster for the same reason.
 

6 minutes ago, gogoblender said:

your own personal youtube account

Don't have and don't want that. But that's what we got you for, right?

8 minutes ago, gogoblender said:

You guys are almost there!

The hour has passed and it's still uploading

[gogoblender 3,406]

8 minutes ago, SLD said:

I would guess my upload speed is the bottleneck here.
 

I guess that one will be far faster for the same reason.
 

Don't have and don't want that. But that's what we got you for, right?

The hour has passed and it's still uploading

no worries!
.. i got another two weeks of lovely lols with all of Sacred's darlings   before going back to the grind of work and only surfacing after a day of work and an evening /dinner at Ammamma's  Im working on the SacredWiki controls now and will figger out how to get everyone's videos into their own *builds* or categories so that they are can all be seen as part of a grouping that show progression or the continuation of thoughtful inertia. 

Or... im gonna get slurp back a protein drink and watch Matrix ...and do this after a well-dripped coffee in the morning

gogo

[SLD 524]

5 minutes ago, Sethi22 said:

It sure does. But you don't even have to prove anything any more

It proves to myself that the idea of going with mitigation alone isn't some unrealistical wild dream. It proves that my theoretical way of scaling characters actually works in practice. After all, I wrote build guides for builds, that I never played
Well at least not played the exact way/version as the guides.

 

11 minutes ago, Sethi22 said:

I just believe you now. You're my mentor!

What about constitution?




btw the upload just failed so no video for now....

[gogoblender 3,406]

Just now, SLD said:

It proves to myself that the idea of going with mitigation alone isn't some unrealistical wild

are you talking about invulnerable builds? migitation?  There are some guides out there right? Some classes can get close to full percent? 

I vaguely remember that now after you mention it
 

gogo

[gogoblender 3,406]

3 minutes ago, SLD said:

btw the upload just failed so no video for now....

gogo

[Sethi22 270]

1 minute ago, SLD said:

What about constitution?

 

Haha, well, I was so afraid that you would convince me somehow to drop it, that I took it on level 25. Better safe than sorry! But I didn't know about (or remember) those Sera runes you can socket for the phys mitigation. That's really a big help (at least now, on lower levels.) We'll see, I might just make another version of this build later on, a single aspect one. Only Demonic blow. And I'll do that your way, I promise! 

[SLD 524]

2 minutes ago, gogoblender said:

are you talking about invulnerable builds? migitation?  There are some guides out there right? Some classes can get close to full percent? 

I vaguely remember that now after you mention it

everyone can get full mitigation but it might take a lot of gear.
Maybe you should read my guides I'm sure there's lots on mitigation in there already.

The dream does however only come true at super high levels. That's why I thought it might be the theoretical best way for the endgame but not for the way there. I'm basically currently proving that it is good enough for the way there not just at the end. That you can actually play through the campaign without constitution, warding energy lore, combat reflexes etc.

[SLD 524]

2 minutes ago, Sethi22 said:

But I didn't know about (or remember) those Sera runes you can socket for the phys mitigation.

I'm sure my guides touch on that one as well somewhere.

[SLD 524]

On 9/29/2024 at 5:31 PM, SLD said:

Early/Midgame you can socket Seraphim runes with +% phys mitigation to reach 100% if you want to.

from my sw guide...

[gogoblender 3,406]

36 minutes ago, SLD said:

everyone can get full mitigation but it might take a lot of gear.
 

Yah the gear for mitigation was hard work in the closed days, but now with mods, and all the stuff youve showed me with super spawns it seems like a lot of the horrible (but memorable) reasons for why we built things can be overcome with the right mod. 

I remember soldats from the old days..he had such a crazy grasp of mechanics...but when he finally put out his videos of mitigation builds it was ...magical .  

only thing was you have to trade out quite a bit of kill speed to get that mitigation. 

Such be the balance

and if yer playing with others. why not push the tank in first ()  to get the fiery roast

while we sit around in the back and pick off little guys around him like marshmallows about a fire.

oops did I say that

gogo

[SLD 524]

2 hours ago, gogoblender said:

ah the gear for mitigation was hard work in the closed days, but now with mods, and all the stuff youve showed me with super spawns it seems like a lot of the horrible (but memorable) reasons for why we built things can be overcome with the right mod. 

It has nothing to do with mods. Yes you can make a mod where you already start as invulnerable, but excluding such cheating bull:eek:, many of the big mods actually reduce some access to mitigation again.

The cm-patch brought a lot of set items with mitigation, some of which are a "bit" op. But most of that stuff is really rare or not that useful as it is on a slot where you can already have it.
Then comes EE. I think that one already reduces the mitigation values on some items.
Then there is the addendum which limits the maximum mitigation to 90% or something like that so mitigation is no longer that op anyway
And then there's D2F until v15 everything is broken af there, but v16 also caps mitigation, this time at 85%. 

So CM patch is basically the peak of mitigation. But in most cases it is not much better than the base game.
I already gave a rough breakdown for mitigation under base game conditions here:
https://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/72710-an-easy-character-for-a-returning-sacred-2-player/page/2/#comment-7146208
It was always possibe. The people back in closed just didn't know much about the mechanics and people who play to high levels obviously are rare as well.
And farming 5 high end tanit's collar amulets or similar stuff, is not gonna be done quickly either.

Yes many of the current mods help somehow with the levelling process. That saves time there, but the items used are still mostly the same.
 

2 hours ago, gogoblender said:

only thing was you have to trade out quite a bit of kill speed to get that mitigation. 

not really. Mitigation doesn't necessarily cost you much, if you choose the right build for it.

2 hours ago, gogoblender said:

Such be the balance

balance? with an invulnerable character?



oh btw. the second upload attempt just failed, so I guess I'll have to record a shorter one.

Edit: Shorter one is attempting to upload now... So I guess I'll wait for another hour...
I wonder if it breaks of exactly at one hour, as there was the same problem when trying to download files for the addendum. Maybe there is always a 1 hour cutoff.

Edit 2: This time it failed far quicker. So I guess playing Sacred 2 while uploading was not a good idea. I just have to sit here and babysit it.

Edit 3: And it failed again...

Edited October 15, 2024 by SLD

[Sethi22 270]

3 hours ago, SLD said:

I'm sure my guides touch on that one as well somewhere.

Of course they do! But reading it once won't make me a well educated player in a day! I'll  forget some of it in no time! (But don't worry, it's saved to my favourites bar, Whenever I need it, I just click on it, and out comes the secret sacred knowledge!) This whole mitigation approach is completely new for me, that's why almost all my questions were circling around it.  After you explained it a few times, it really began to make sense. Right now I'm at a stage, where I'm still socketed mostly with the whet arts of my niobium smith, and a few mitigation runes. Somewhere in no man's land, in the middle of a switch. But I really don't understand, why you say that you don't trade damage for it. Why not? Socketing everything with mitigation stuff surely takes it's toll on the damage, no?