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What I'm meaning to say, though, is that unless you just wanted to do it yourself so you wouldn't have to give credit to anyone else, this work is already done.

You're correct, but I was referring to the work involved, not the map itself. I'm not trying to be persnickety about minor details, all I was trying to get at in my ramblomatic sort of way was that if any credit is legally deserved it all goes to Ascaron, anything beyond what Ascaron owns is owned by no one.

That would be Ascaron wouldn't it? Sorry to be a bit of a downer, but let's not forget who owns the original content that we're working with here (bearing in mind that they would have created that map & then cut it up & put it on the disk, so, IMO, someone else re-assembling it doesn't therefore take ownership of anything). The only reason I posted this is due to the use of the words "owner" & "rights". Personally, I think it's great that you're doing it, but then I'm not Ascaron (I don't & can't speak for them in this). Dear Llama, you're right.. ..just.. ..things you're saying are obvius. Look at the link. There is written that he's assembling the map, isn't it? He is toiling on this map, like Schot did last year with the Sacred Underworld map. It's well behavement on internet to ask always to the "guy who worked on something" the possibility to use freely what he realized. This way I mean "owner of the rights of the map".. ..wasn't it obvius? I already contacted two weeks ago the poster of the maps in the french website (Lukas). He told me from where he had taken the maps. As you're going to evaluate the possibility of using the map, and I knew who realized it, I just posted it. Is all that clear now? Don't be cruel with me just because I can't speak english very well and thought some things were obvius.. >.<" Maybe the two words I used aren't the right one, but english is my THIRD language, not the first and second neither: my vocabulary is a little-bit limitated. Would you mind to tell me how do you express this concept, please? I would say it, since as I said above, that there's no "rights" involved in this and I think it's best expressed as the one who worked to put together or something similar. I don't think there's a simple way, in English, to put it.

I think if you read too much into who owns what it gets a bit gray. Ascaron owns the rights and will distribute art and supplies with written consent as per their website. However, any work done to or for said materials owned by the aforementioned company belongs to the public domain and has no rights of ownership. Credit is given based on etiquette. So the way I interpret this, not being a lawyer, is that the original source material is owned by Ascaron, but the work of piecing the pictures back together was the work of the creator of this map and belongs to the public.

Flcikr does allow larger file sizes, but they restrict the pixel count in much the same way photobucket does. Uploading to Rapidshare right now. Says 15 minutes left for the high quality version. The lowest quality was 4MB, it was pretty lossy. The photo shop format was 368MB, and a PNG format was 108, trying to think of other better compression formats that aren't as lossy as jpeg. Ripidshare link -- 58MB Says it can only be downloaded 10 times or something...

I'm pretty sure this one is the one made from the mini-map parts. You can't tell on the linked image because photobucket scaled it down to 1MB. The one that the creator links to in his post you can see all the details you can on the mini-map like rocks, shadows, buildings etc. The map of dungeons I have I know isn't all of them just because the maze under Seraphim Island isn't there, but it's a start. When I saw it I instantly thought of the Underworld map and thought we could do something similar with this one. I can't speak french to ask the guy if he minds but, like I said, I at least gave him credit. Edit - So you can see what I mean, here's a cropped section of Thylysium

So as I was poking around the forums, I saw a link to the official French site and someone had taken the textures out of the packed game files and jigsaw puzzled them together into a map. I saved it and translated the little bit of text and gave him credit and was thinking we could use it on the Wiki, esp to reference quest/cave/easter egg locations with it's convenient grid. Here's a photobucket link: Photobucket butchered it up pretty good since I'm not paying for the service so it would need it's own host. I have several version of the map, the best quality one being about 64MB, lowest quality is about 3MB. The difference is like standard television to HD, you can make all the important stuff out on the low quality version, but on the highest you can see each rock in the grass. Let me know what you guys think. Edit - I also have the map he made for dungeons. Keep in mind when viewing the photobucket link that the original is 8064x8047 pixels.

Fruit is the part of the plant that comes from the flower, like pumpkins, tomatoes, peanuts, and peas.... and apples Now you got to learn something today

Pumpkins are actually a fruit

I've noticed in my high elf the wave doesn't move nearly that fast. Is it the result of a CA mod? I haven't gone into much dept with it since I focus on Cobalt Strike and Incendiary Shower. Though I keep my Blazing Tempest up to par for when I do encounter a large group. The wave of green text flying above my head is a good sight.

I'm not really sure I understand 100% Does someone get the pumpkin then the first one to mention it here gets the pumpkin as their avatar? Like if I were to say something about Timotheus' avatar it would become my avatar until someone noticed it from me?

I guess that makes us even then since I typed up the book on Ker without telling you and you had already beaten me too it. Maybe that'll teach us both to communicate better Also I think that the way the book talks about Jonah No-Finger, if we were to visit him he could tell us how not to gamble. I found the diaries to be the most interesting, actually. It does seem to allude to there being a secret area or a portal or something in his library or maybe additional clues (says something about an envelope on his mantle). I also found it interesting that a lot of the books seem to tie into together. There were a couple mentions of the Lingua Arcana, the language books. As I typed the poison entry, I thought I would check the world out as I traveled to see if I could actually see the described plants in the world, even if not interactive. My wpm, last I checked, was somewhere near 90. Having Word in a small window overlapping the image helped so that I could just look and type. Also having a 95%+ accuracy helped and the fact that I was more concerned with just getting the texts up for you guys rather than persnicky details about typos. I did the first 10 in three hours or so. Like I said, I like to type and I found it fun. If you need help again with typing just holler. Not sure which thread should be the "real" thread, probably this one. Though I only get email updates to subscribed threads on the official forums for some reason, not from here. PS - Sorry about the compulsive editing.

Had I read the thread I would have known that some of those sources I was missing were posted. Finished: -Orcish for Beginners (needs picture, noted in wiki where it's needed) -The Lost Diaries of Magus Elohinir Leaving just the book on two handed weapons.

One more thing to note, I left in any spelling errors or typos that may have been present (diary going from 14th Tyrbor to the 5th then to the 16th). Some MS Word may have auto corrected, but when words came up in the spell check, I checked the source before correcting. There were also several grammatical errors and inconsistencies that were from apparent different authors ("cannot" in some and "can not" in others), again did my best to leave accurate to source.

Posted this on the official forums so figured I'd C&P here: Links in post