wolfie2kX 528 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) Three more NPC pages created. http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:Sistan http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:Grata http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:Despaira also added Grata and Despaira to the list of NPCs for http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:The_Red_River#Quests_.26_NPC.27s Edit: Then I went back in and sorted Red River. OK.. Found a MAJOR problem... 1.) The RED RIVER is not between Teardrop Hamlet and the Desert region - even tho it says it is in game. The Red River is in the BLOOD FOREST region. BUT, because there's a stupid bug in the map/game it shows up whenever you're passing through that region. I reported this as a bug to Marcus and Czevak - but it's not something they can actually do anything about. The really ODD part of it all, the actual Red River doesn't match up on the map with the top end of the desert region either. There's another similar issue - the northern most part of Sar'Thaz, IIRC, that says it's the Arena of the Winged Ones, which is clearly in the Crystal Region in the northwest, NOT anywhere near the Swamp... Edited August 23, 2013 by wolfie2kX Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 That did have me confused. In game the words Red River do show up as the player walks from Teardrop Hamlet to Khorum. I suspect whoever created that page was equally confused. Since there is a quest up there, I suggest a new name for the place, Bengaresh Northern Border or something like that and then put a note about the bug in the notes section? Link to comment
wolfie2kX 528 Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 (edited) That did have me confused. In game the words Red River do show up as the player walks from Teardrop Hamlet to Khorum. I suspect whoever created that page was equally confused. Since there is a quest up there, I suggest a new name for the place, Bengaresh Northern Border or something like that and then put a note about the bug in the notes section? Eh.. Works for me... Tho it could be the creator never played thru the Blood Forest or was too busy fending off whatever to notice... "North Bengaresh" sounds a bit better maybe. Ditto for the Sar'Thaz/Arena of the Winged Ones conflict. Edited August 23, 2013 by wolfie2kX Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Gogo, are you and Shot ok with renaming that page to 'North Benaresh' and if so would you go ahead and do that? I'll go in and add a note about the Red River name bug sometime tomorrow then. For your convenience the link is: http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:The_Red_River I'll check that part in the Sar'Thaz too wolfie, I hadn't noticed it, but I might not have been at that spot before. Link to comment
wolfie2kX 528 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 (edited) Gogo, are you and Shot ok with renaming that page to 'North Benaresh' and if so would you go ahead and do that? I'll go in and add a note about the Red River name bug sometime tomorrow then. For your convenience the link is: http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:The_Red_River I'll check that part in the Sar'Thaz too wolfie, I hadn't noticed it, but I might not have been at that spot before. Rewrote the Red River page to make it North Bengaresh. Added the note about the bug.. All that is needed now is for Gogo or Schot to change the title of the page... BTW.. Found the old issue I posted about the Arena of the Winged Ones bug many moons ago and the one Munera posted on the Red River bug. As Marcus and Czevak have no means to fix it, there's not much that can be done... Edited August 24, 2013 by wolfie2kX Link to comment
gogoblender 3,071 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Gogo, are you and Shot ok with renaming that page to 'North Benaresh' and if so would you go ahead and do that? I'll go in and add a note about the Red River name bug sometime tomorrow then. For your convenience the link is: http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:The_Red_River I'll check that part in the Sar'Thaz too wolfie, I hadn't noticed it, but I might not have been at that spot before. Rewrote the Red River page to make it North Bengaresh. Added the note about the bug.. All that is needed now is for Gogo or Schot to change the title of the page... BTW.. Found the old issue I posted about the Arena of the Winged Ones bug many moons ago and the one Munera posted on the Red River bug. As Marcus and Czevak have no means to fix it, there's not much that can be done... Hey guys! Thanks for these posts and the info on the red river, gonna check this out and post back gogo Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Gogo, are you and Shot ok with renaming that page to 'North Benaresh' and if so would you go ahead and do that? I'll go in and add a note about the Red River name bug sometime tomorrow then. For your convenience the link is: http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:The_Red_River I'll check that part in the Sar'Thaz too wolfie, I hadn't noticed it, but I might not have been at that spot before. Rewrote the Red River page to make it North Bengaresh. Added the note about the bug.. All that is needed now is for Gogo or Schot to change the title of the page... BTW.. Found the old issue I posted about the Arena of the Winged Ones bug many moons ago and the one Munera posted on the Red River bug. As Marcus and Czevak have no means to fix it, there's not much that can be done... Hey guys! Thanks for these posts and the info on the red river, gonna check this out and post back gogo Thanks wolfie, I knew that was going to take an extensive rewrite. Thanks gogo for taking a look at this. Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Gogo, are you and Shot ok with renaming that page to 'North Benaresh' and if so would you go ahead and do that? I'll go in and add a note about the Red River name bug sometime tomorrow then. For your convenience the link is: http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:The_Red_River I'll check that part in the Sar'Thaz too wolfie, I hadn't noticed it, but I might not have been at that spot before. Rewrote the Red River page to make it North Bengaresh. Added the note about the bug.. All that is needed now is for Gogo or Schot to change the title of the page... BTW.. Found the old issue I posted about the Arena of the Winged Ones bug many moons ago and the one Munera posted on the Red River bug. As Marcus and Czevak have no means to fix it, there's not much that can be done... I added links to the note and corrected the name of the forest. I also added the El-Darrag portal to the transportation list. Link to comment
wolfie2kX 528 Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 There's a monolith there too.. Kinda moot either way given there's a portal. Link to comment
gogoblender 3,071 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Gogo, are you and Shot ok with renaming that page to 'North Benaresh' and if so would you go ahead and do that? I'll go in and add a note about the Red River name bug sometime tomorrow then. For your convenience the link is: http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:The_Red_River I'll check that part in the Sar'Thaz too wolfie, I hadn't noticed it, but I might not have been at that spot before. Rewrote the Red River page to make it North Bengaresh. Added the note about the bug.. All that is needed now is for Gogo or Schot to change the title of the page... BTW.. Found the old issue I posted about the Arena of the Winged Ones bug many moons ago and the one Munera posted on the Red River bug. As Marcus and Czevak have no means to fix it, there's not much that can be done... Heya guys! We're trying to understand more what is happening here, and doing more investigation. Do any of you have a copy of Sacred 2 Fallen Angel installed without Ice and Blood and CM Patch? Vanilla copy of Sacred 2? gogo Link to comment
wolfie2kX 528 Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) I used to have it installed - the Red River thing did NOT exist in vanilla Sacred 2. That Red River tag came with the expansion. Not sure what the confusion is. Marcus and Czevak took a look at the issues already and found them to be hard coded BUGS in the game they can't do anything about. Edited August 26, 2013 by wolfie2kX Link to comment
gogoblender 3,071 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Thanks for looking guys! We're seeing if we can boot up a version here too...Schot is trying some really far out possibilites to understand this gogo Link to comment
wolfie2kX 528 Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 Um.. Ok.. Still not understanding what the confusion is. The Red River flows clearly (as clear as blood goes) through the Blood Forest - south of the Derelict Manor and the Maze. It's clearly marked on the map. The Arena of the Winged Ones is in the Crystal Plane FAR to the north and west of Sar'Thaz in the Swamp region. And yet, these two tags appear in the wrong place. Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I did get it up and running it's going to take awhile to get to that area, because my current save games are not compatible. I'm sure that Red River name is not going to show up, but I'll check it anyway. As wolfie described it, this is a bug that happened when Ice & Blood came out. Link to comment
gogoblender 3,071 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Thanks guys for taking your time with us. Sometimes the detailing of Wiki is long and painful, and right now this one single thing is taking up every members' team's time, but we'll all get a good verification of what we're seeing and from there can make even wilder conjecture. Cath, you can probably get a downlaod for a high level toon from the Sacred downloads section, and bring it into your vanilla version. As well...while there may be nothing in that area that is a "red river" ...if we were, instead of looking at this as a place, but instead a hub where quests run through...could there be a quest for a character class that runs through that area that could make that word red river pop up? Knuckles also from a previous entry could also possibly imply that there is a history of a war tween mutants and the desert, and we'd like to run this to ground. Sorry for this, if you can help us great! If you're finding this all difficult, no worries, and we'll keep looking to find solution. thanks gogo Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) Thanks Flix, that is really great. @Gogo -- there is a name that pops up "Bengaresh Threshhold" So we do need a page for that. But the Red River, should be renamed North Bengaresh I think. And we can create a page for Bengaresh Threshold with the information for that part of the road. I have not managed to keep my character alive long enough to check if there is a name that pops up from the opposite direction. Edited August 26, 2013 by Ysne58 1 Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:Bengaresh_Threshold The place is now added and the template is set up. I can copy and paste at least one of the pictures from The Red River page and the information about the player escorting the hapless elves through there. However, the ruin those elves are camped at is too far away to actually be included in this place. Link to comment
gogoblender 3,071 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Thanks Flix, that is really great. @Gogo -- there is a name that pops up "Bengaresh Threshhold" So we do need a page for that. But the Red River, should be renamed North Bengaresh I think. And we can create a page for Bengaresh Threshold with the information for that part of the road. I have not managed to keep my character alive long enough to check if there is a name that pops up from the opposite direction. Awesome, we're making progress! Can you take a screen pic of the name that pops up in screen? You said Bengarish Threshold right? This can then be name for what is now being called The Red River page, but first, we can document this on the new page, and offer documentation from Vanilla version to readers of this in their ice and blood verseion they are probably running. Would you be able to take a screen pic for us with print screen? Good job! gogo Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 (edited) I can try to get a screen shot. However, both wolfie and I have added a whole lot of content to that Red River page on the assumption that it would be renamed to North Bengaresh. Also I have already added a page for the Bengaresh Threshhold that has the accurate information about it. It would be much better if you renamed the Red River page North Bengaresh. I'll need a little bit to get that screen shot and an explanation of how to upload here. Edit no name shows up walking the opposite direction in either Fallen Angel or Sacred 2 gold with the CM patch. Edited August 26, 2013 by Ysne58 Link to comment
gogoblender 3,071 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 We're looking at all options, what we'll probably end up with is an explanatory page on The Red River page as a stub explaining that this page is a bug, with a redirect going to Northern Bengaresh. This way we have an explanation to readers when they effect searches for The Red River, and a page with properly titled Bengaresh Threshold for the actual name of that area as documented officially by Sacred Vanilla. A page named Northern Bengaresh would inaccurately encompass a hugely large area of that map, and Schot says it inflates the small area covered by that one quest and popup. Having two pages, one The Red River as a stub to explain the bug from ice and blood, and then Bengarish Threshold (which is higly accurate and true game information) will allow the wiki to be accurate and explanatory to readers. gogo Link to comment
gogoblender 3,071 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Hey guys! We've decided to move the info from that page now to Bengarish Threshold, Schots suggestion and Cathy's fearless adventuring to travel back through time and space, crossing dimensions to journey to the old vanilla version has yielded us this delicious and authentic piece of Sacred Info which we can use in the Wiki ... big thanks guys So...and now we're finally at conclusion LOL... we end up with the old The Red River page moved here to it's new page http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php/Sacred_2:Bengaresh_Threshold There should be a pic on that page from old sacred vanilla page to document where we got the name from... And this now leaves us with a redirect to the old The red river page here which we can leave in Wiki... http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5?title=Sacred_2:The_Red_River&redirect=no That old page, the redirect which is called The Red River can have notes aded to it which explains to player about the bug in Ice and Blood and that this is the reason why The REd River has appeared to the player but which is meaningless and a mistake ...but to never fear, for the page they are looking for is correctly called Bengaresh Threshold (then add link for the reader) which whisks them awy to the correctly named page Voila gogo 1 Link to comment
Ysne58 236 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 I got a screen shot. It's in tga format, which I can't open. I still don't know how to upload it. Link to comment
gogoblender 3,071 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 yer almost there! u can download this app here, it's ifran view, I use it for all sacred viewing, it's quick and compact: http://download.cnet.com/IrfanView/ There's no rush on this Cath, I know you neeeeeeeed sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep gogo Link to comment
Schot 407 Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Nice team work all! Thanx for checking in Sacred 2 Fallen Angel Ysne. I changed the use of Northern Bengaresh to Bengaresh Threshold on the Bengaresh Threshold page. Link to comment
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