Naming conventions for NPCs

[Ysne58 236]

I'm not sure where to post this question, I think here is as good as any. I just finished The Hunter Camp chain quest.

 

http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5/Sacred_2:The_Hunter_Camp

 

The last NPC in the third quest Secured Shipment has an NPC that is in Sloeford. He is named Robert the merchant. I set up a link for Robert and added it to Sloeford as well as this quest page. http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5/Sacred_2:Secure_Shipment

 

I did not add the words the merchant to the link. Also there is no quest enemy page for the Giant Boar that is the subject of the second quest in the chain.

 

http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5/Sacred_2:The_Boar

 

 

Edit: OK I do have a question in here somewhere--- naming conventions for NPCs -- should we put their titles in the link?

Edited January 12, 2011 by Ysne58

[gogoblender 3,086]

Edit: OK I do have a question in here somewhere--- naming conventions for NPCs -- should we put their titles in the link?

 

 

heya !

 

Do you mean naming convention for a page name?

 

For that kind of stuff our mantra is...

 

Game is God!

 

*dramatic echo*

 

This means, we don't want to add our own interpretation to an NPC title, if the title of the NPC is already cannon in reference via a quest etc. If you see an NPC's name in a log book...that's what the page name should be named.

 

 

gogo

[Silver_fox 397]

I'm not sure where to post this question, I think here is as good as any. I just finished The Hunter Camp chain quest.

 

http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5/Sacred_2:The_Hunter_Camp

 

The last NPC in the third quest Secured Shipment has an NPC that is in Sloeford. He is named Robert the merchant. I set up a link for Robert and added it to Sloeford as well as this quest page. http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5/Sacred_2:Secure_Shipment

 

I did not add the words the merchant to the link. Also there is no quest enemy page for the Giant Boar that is the subject of the second quest in the chain.

 

http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5/Sacred_2:The_Boar

 

 

Edit: OK I do have a question in here somewhere--- naming conventions for NPCs -- should we put their titles in the link?

 

It's not exactly the place for this question, but anyway. Gogo is just right. The NPC page should be named exactly like the NPC is named in game.

Just walk to this NPC and press 'Alt', the name you'd see is a correct way to name this NPC's page. For example Malte's page is named 'Malte the Merchant' because that's what I read when I pressed 'Alt' while taking a screenshot of him (if he was named differenly, I'd ask to rename his page). At the same time Lahrian is named just 'Lahrian' because that's what his tag says, despite himself telling that he is 'Lahrian, the Mage'.

Edited January 13, 2011 by Silver_fox

[gogoblender 3,086]

 

Just walk to this NPC and press 'Alt', the name you'd see is a correct way to name this NPC's page. For example Malte's page is named 'Malte the Merchant' because that's what I read when I pressed 'Alt' while taking a screenshot of him (if he was named disserenly, I'd ask to rename his page). At the same time Lahrian is named just 'Lahrian' because that's what his tag says, despite himself telling that he is 'Lahrian, the Mage'.

 

This is very good strategy. When we document, we never trust what we have learned in the past...this is Sacred 2! Therefore... always believing that that the game is gospel...when we come across something new, we like to try to use tests to make sure how the NPC is being called, is being referred or how the game "sees" him. If, after preforming a number of these tests the NPC is just his name, then that's probably the best way to represent him in the Wiki. Course... if he comes up in a dark side variant...

 

 

gogo

[Ysne58 236]

There are at least two cases in the game where that creates a problem.

 

Michel, The Blacksmith's Apprentice

 

quest and name are the same. Whoever created the name page left the comma out.

 

http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5/Sacred_2:Michel,_the_Blacksmith's_Apprentice

 

Inquisitor Ortlewyn

 

Quest and name are exactly the same.

 

http://www.sacredwiki.org/index.php5/Sacred_2:Inquisitor_Ortlewyn

 

Whoever named the enemy page just used Ortlewyn

[gogoblender 3,086]

hmmm, I see what you're saying. I see two possible options.

 

• Name as default for either quest or NPC
• Name with suffix and dash name scheme for either Quest or NPC...depending how how we choose for the default to be.

Let me talk to Schot (He's out buying super sneakers *rolls eyes) and we'll post back.

 

 

gogo

[Silver_fox 397]

Maybe we should decide to use something like: 'name the page the same way the NPC is named in game if this name is not reserved for a quest'. And maybe 'use a short name if the whole one is taken'.

 

After all it is always possible to name the page like we name pages of the NPCs that have multiple instances in game. This 'Name - Location' scheme must work. Maybe the page won't get the best title, but it won't be confused with the other one.

 

But anyway, why are we discussing it here? A thread for all the NPC stuff is still present somewhere, isn't it?

Edited January 13, 2011 by Silver_fox

[Ysne58 236]

It is relevant for which gets the full name, the quest or the NPC. Anyhow...Robert the Merchant now matches what is in the game. Does he actually belong on the Sloeford places page?

[Silver_fox 397]

Yes, he does. I asked the same question some time ago and got an answer that all the NPCs that appear in some place should be listed there. If the NPC appears on condition, you just need to specify this condition. Like 'Robert the Merchant: involved in 'Secured Shipment' quest. Appears only after you accept this quest.' But actually all the NPCs should be listed on the places pages. When NPC is listed, it means that he/she is in this place. They can't be nowhere, can they? Which means they should be listed somewhere.

[Ysne58 236]

I think I am starting to get a better feel for this.

[Schot 407]

For the record I moved the content here from the Quest Template page to it's own topic as it is now; Naming conventions for NPCs.

[Ysne58 236]

Thanks Schot. I wasn't sure the question deserved it's own thread and there were so many possibilities to choose from.

[Silver_fox 397]

Now it finally got to where it should belong! I'm not sure there is something left to discuss though.

[Ysne58 236]

If something new comes up, we can always address it here.

[Ysne58 236]

I don't believe my question got answered yet. Which takes priority when an NPC and a Quest have the exact same name? The Quest or the NPC? How do we handle the one that doesn't get the exact name?

[Silver_fox 397]

In my opinion, the quest is more important. I think that more players pay attention to the quest name since it flashes on the screen when you take the quest, it is written in the logbook and it is the name the player would look for while activating the certain quest to get the compass pointing to it. As for the NPC names, they are not so important for completing the quest. You may pay no attention to the NPCs and still be able to accept and complete the quest. You just need to know where to find the quest giver, it's not even necessary to know his/her name. It's just my opinion though.

[Ysne58 236]

I agree with you. I think the quest name is more important as well.