Water can't burn, or wait, it can?!

[Indy13 5]

So one man has accidentally discovered something that might revolutionize the world.

 

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iT1KAi6...qZlvLnfsxP7ToKw

 

If this works efficiently then this would be one of the biggest scientific breakthroughs.

[Nihilith 0]

Hmmm... scepticism (is that english:) lol).... Salted water is very abundant on earth... but we have already some big problems regarding to the lack of water. We already waste a lot of it, if on top of this, we start to burn it, prepare for the earth to be a giant desert in just a few centuries. Anyway, nobody will be there to see it !

He used a Radio Frequency generator to burn the water... developped a theory regarding to using sea water as fuel... well, what will power your InCar RF Generator ? Gas ? Batteries ?

- If we look at the pollution problem, this will be one of the greatest discovery beside Hydrogen engines.

- Regarding to the planet, no comment !!

- Regarding to health... we are already crossed by hundreds of radiation everyday, Cellular phones, Wifi, CRT screens, radio, even your electronic alarm clock emits radiation. The human body is one of the most well build antenna mother Nature made. Cases of skin and brain cancers are more and more numerous, and this is a fact ! I'm not saying that every cancer is due to radiation, but that's a point we can't omit.

If the generator is not in your car, then the fuel will be produced by giant factories, that is giant RF Generators, and that's a f...g huge amount of Radiations that will covers a lot of squared kilometers around the factories, as High Voltage Transportation lines already do.

My 2 cents.

Edited September 11, 2007 by Nihilith

[myles 2]

Sounds kind of like microwave.... Anyway, I will believe it when and if he actually makes it work.

 

There's no surprise that salt can be burn, we all know that it can. I don't see how this tiny amount of energy can be efficient though.

[Nihilith 0]

Sounds kind of like microwave.... Anyway, I will believe it when and if he actually makes it work.

 

There's no surprise that salt can be burn, we all know that it can. I don't see how this tiny amount of energy can be efficient though.

 

I think the idea is not in burning salt, but separating hydrogen and oxygen from water and ake it burn all at once with a frequency generator. Just like a microwave oven, but powerful enough to break the molecules.

[myles 2]

Sounds kind of like microwave.... Anyway, I will believe it when and if he actually makes it work.

 

There's no surprise that salt can be burn, we all know that it can. I don't see how this tiny amount of energy can be efficient though.

 

I think the idea is not in burning salt, but separating hydrogen and oxygen from water and ake it burn all at once with a frequency generator. Just like a microwave oven, but powerful enough to break the molecules.

 

We think alike. That's y I say it sounds like microwave.

 

And from there, this method is dubious until we get more information. Frequency generators aren't something we can call energy efficient, so y specifically talk about sea water.

 

We have hydrogen fuel now, and the by-product of that is water! So if you can make water to burn, y use sea water? What the salt there has to do with this process that's what I'm thinking.

 

Edit: And what would the by product be? That is even more disturbing I think...

[Obsession 0]

All I can say, don't believe everything you read in the internet.. but still don't day it's impossible as I have no idea how to explain this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcs662uA7zY (not the rx8 even it's really cool car, but the hy-wire, car that runs on sea water [=salt water])

[gogoblender 3,071]

Obsession that's a fantastic link, I throughly enjoyed the read and love the host of that show. Regarding Indy's first post, well...I guess it looks like as long as we're always looking for something to "burn" and believe in that concept as being integral to transportation, then the hunt for the world's next most ubiquitous resource has led us to hydrogen.

Only question.

How long before that runs out.

 

gogo

[locutus 1]

Whoa if thats true that's amazing. Let's be honest salt water is a bit of a waste of space unless it can be massively, quickly and efficiently desalinized which I dont believe it can. Imagine the possibilities if you could fuel a car or power a home with water-salt water(we're using our drinking water here)

 

PS I love dolphins and whales...but they dont need ALLLLL that water

[OuttaTown 0]

that is some good news for pyromaniacs

[gial 2]

It takes energy to generate those radio waves in the first place. Consideration of the laws of thermodynamics makes it a certainty that more energy is input as radio energy than can be taken out from hydrogen combustion -- otherwise you would have a perpetual motion machine by using the combustion heat tyo generate radio waves, etc., etc., and around and around.

 

What this does is very similar to what light bulbs do -- they convert one form/manifestation of energy into another. The radio waves are absorbed and place the hydrogen/oxygen of the water into a higher energy state. This process is essentially the same as electrolysis. The hydrogen is then later "burned" to create heat energy. No net gain. In fact, because of Carnot limitations on efficiency, you actually have a loss. The only real benefit is if these energy transformations can be separated. We can use electricity in our homes because the generation process occurs at the electric plants, and electrical energy is sent to us. Coal/hydro/nuclear/solar energies were consumed in greater quantities than the electricity produced. But at home, we don't directly care about that part (other than in an ecological sense, perhaps) -- we get electric power.

 

Thermodynamics is a lot like gambling -- the 3 laws can be summed up very succinctly in non technical terms:

 

1. You can't win.

2. You can't even break even.

3. You have to play - it's the only game in town.

 

This "house" has better odds than any casino.